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What if Cruz didn't do it ???

Even though his court appointed public defender convinced him to plead guilty....

What you have is...

1. a young man with the IQ of a 12 year old....
2. a young man who has no car or drivers licence....
3. a young man who is a special ed student with very little cash in hand....

Consider the cost of a new AR and hundreds of rounds as well as clips and
ask yourself how did he manage to save up enough cash for a $2000 weapon
and $500 worth of addons and ammo and then hide it in the home of an FBI
employee - as the homeowners don't know where the AR came from ???

Cruz did own an AK before he moved in with his new family and then an M&P
purchased in Nov 2017 (it is unknown if they knew about this purchase) and
then bought an off the shelf AR less than a month ago from the same store as
the M&P..... The store claims he passed checks and left with a single clip and
no ammo...

Consider that a teacher saw a man wearing a helmet, gas mask, bullet proof jacket
wearing all black shooting an AR... A statement I think is true ! Also consider
that a 15 year old found someone he belived to be Cruz sitting in a stairwell
attempting to load and prepare an assault style weapon - yet he left unharmed...

Cruz was arrested 21 minutes later over 2 miles away walking calmly down the road....

Unless he had a second Uber pick him up how did he get so far in so little time ???

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Why was his brother Zachary Cruz age 17 swept away and involuntarily placed
in an institute for the insane for evaluation under the Brady Bill ?

Especially since Zachary was a normal mentally healthy child who had little
to no contact with his brother Nicolas for several months ?

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A cop from another precinct heard a description of Cruz's clothing on the radio and just happened to spot him 2 miles from the school, just 21 minutes after the shooting ended. He was casually walking down the street after visiting Wal-Mart and McDonald's for a snack. He was arrested without incident, had a panic attack because he appeared confused about being arrested and within minutes appeared too drugged to walk.

Time for shoping and a snack - before covering 2 miles on foot ?

The Broward county prosecutor told Cruz if he didn't plead guilty they would seek the death penalty. His Broward county public defender advised him to plead guilty within 36 hours after shooting.

Does a drugged confession even count ?

Within minutes after the shooting, Florida Senator Bill Nelson went on TV saying the FBI confirmed that the shooter wore a gas mask, vest, threw smoke grenades and snuck into the building to set off fire alarm.

Really - smoke grenades.... Where do you get those ?

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Broward County is the home to documented Clinton & Gore voter fraud in 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Remember the recounts and "hanging chads" - that was Broward county...

Sheriff Israel is a close friend of Hillary's.... ( Odd Coincidence )

Sheriff Israel was able to dodge charges that he impregnated a 17 year old girl in 2012....

The Broward County Sheriff’s department told Fox News that the Deputies who arrived at the scene of the shooting were told not to enter the school unless their body cameras were turned on. Then Fox News found out that the Deputies did not EVEN have body cameras....

EMS first responders said they were not allowed to treat victims for 45 minutes after shooting ended. By then, everyone was dead.

Also, police radio communications strangely went out during the school shooting while the surveillance tape was delayed 20 minutes. Sheriff Israel's team was criticized LAST YEAR when they also lost radio communication during the horrific Ft. Lauderdale airport shooting that left 6 dead and 5 wounded.

COINCIDENCE ? Like when they lost communications during the airport shooting ?

Sheriff Israel's Broward County Office FAILED to secure the scene in the Fort Lauderdale Airport shooting last year, too where 5 people died. 6 wounded.

And in this case sat outside till an outside jurisdiction came to secure the scene.

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I thought he had a job at a dollar store? He didn’t pay rent where he lived so he could’ve easily spent his pay on all that stuff.


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I thought he had a job at a dollar store? He didn’t pay rent where he lived so he could’ve easily spent his pay on all that stuff.


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Not currently employeed....

Part time job....
Yet budgeted in a 800.00 M&P as well as a 2000.00 AR and 500.00 addons ???
Over 3000.00 in 3 months ???

Do you really believe he did that ???

Was enrolled full time in "life skills" classes in special education program as he was below normal
participation standards for normal HS classes....

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I thought he had a job at a dollar store? He didn’t pay rent where he lived so he could’ve easily spent his pay on all that stuff.


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Not currently employeed....

Part time job....
Yet budgeted in a 800.00 M&P as well as a 2000.00 AR and 500.00 addons ???
Over 3000.00 in 3 months ???

Do you really believe he did that ???

Was enrolled full time in "life skills" classes in special education program as he was below normal
participation standards for normal HS classes....


Where are you getting this information? Infowars.com? The dollar tree said he was employed there and had transferred from another dollar store


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Prices of the weapons are a bit inflated, too......

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Prices of the weapons are a bit inflated, too......

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Yeah I mean you can get the m&p sport 2 for $479


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Cruz was wearing a wine-colored ROTC polo shirt, black pants and black boots, when he was taken into custody. He was placed on a gurney and taken away in an ambulance. At 4:47 p.m., he was wheeled in to Broward Health North hospital in Deerfield Beach.

A short time later, he was brought to Broward Sheriff’s Office headquarters in a marked agency car that was part of a short convoy.

A Stoneman Douglas student gives account from inside the school Handcuffed and wearing what looked like a light blue hospital gown, he was led into the building by deputies.


However...

A teacher said on video on ABC that she thought the shooter, in the hallway, was the police, in full tactical gear like a SWAT team. Until she realized he was killing people. She saw this masked man outside her classroom at the same time another student, on the other side of the school, said she talked to Cruz, he was unarmed and walking out with her while hearing shots.

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A school of 3000 teachers and students - yet not one pic of Cruz or the shooter ???

Sheriff Israel's ARMED Deputy was CAUGHT ON VIDEO outside the school DOING NOTHING
for FOUR minutes of the entire 6 minutes of shooting....

The one widely shown video was shot by David Hogg the son of the head of a local TV station
who uploaded the video during the shooting to his father who is also an ex-FBI employee and
forwarded it to CNN instead of law enforcement. Young David then began an anti gun narrative
during the active shooting and even filmed interviews of fellow students instead of grieving as
people were running and screaming and shots can be heard in the background...

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You should ask reasonable questions when a far below average intelligence
student singlehandedly outsmarts law enforcement...

Shows up miles away without visible means of transportation after shopping
and a snack in the same 20 minutes...

Gets wisked away to a hospital instead of jail ---- then confesses while under
the influence of drugs....

I simply ask - What if ???

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You should ask reasonable questions when a far below average intelligence
student singlehandedly outsmarts law enforcement...

Shows up miles away without visible means of transportation after shopping
and a snack in the same 20 minutes...

Gets wisked away to a hospital instead of jail ---- then confesses while under
the influence of drugs....

I simply ask - What if ???


It’s easy to see it your way when you are making up your own facts.

Cruz was seen in security cameras dropping his rifle and fleeing at 2:28 pm. Was not arrested until 3:41 pm... that’s an hour and a half .


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There is much confusion on the timeline - as security timestamps were not accurate
and a full hour difference shows in most online messages...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/28/fl ... eline.html

Reading online post timestamps you see an hour difference - you also see reference
to Walmart which was adjacent to the school complex and McDonalds also nearby
where he was seen after 3:00.

He was spotted then questioned and eventually arrested at 3:41 in a neighborhood
in Coral Springs over 2 1/2 miles away. News helicopter video shows him in custody
before transport via ambulance to a hospital.

Leaving roughly 20 minutes to walk over 2 1/2 miles south of the school - when he
lived 3 miles north of the school.

Brisk walking speed is between 3.0 – 3.5 miles per hour which means you can walk
one mile in 17 to 20 minutes at a fast walking pace.

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Bigger question is how did he afford to buy an AR and
then all the clips and ammo.

Then where did he hide it.

The father maintains he had the only key to the safe where they
stored his original weapons he moved in with in late Nov 2017 and
only opened it for Cruz once to clean a gun or two.

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Gigafowl wrote:
Bigger question is how did he afford to buy an AR and
then all the clips and ammo.

Then where did he hide it.

The father maintains he had the only key to the safe where they
stored his original weapons he moved in with in late Nov 2017 and
only opened it for Cruz once to clean a gun or two.

He had a job at a dollar store. Even if he wasn’t working he could’ve bought them while he was. Or he could have saved up a ton of money. He had no bills.


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This is the official timeline of the shooters activity. As you can see, he was not apprehended 2-1/2 miles away from the McDonald's where he was last seen. It was only 1 mile away and he had more than 20 minutes to get there. I know when I was a 19 years old asthmatic, I could run a mile and a half in less than 12 minutes.

2:29 p.m.
- Cruz takes a southbound turn, crosses fields and runs west along with others who are fleeing and tries to mix in with the group running away.

2:50 p.m.
- Cruz arrives at the Walmart at 6001 Coral Ridge Drive, buys a drink at the Subway inside and leaves on foot. (.5 miles walk from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School)

3:01 p.m.
- Cruz arrives at the McDonald's at 5741 Coral Ridge Drive, sits down for a short time and leaves on foot. (.3 miles walk from the Walmart)

3:41 p.m.
- A Coconut Creek Police Department officer detains Cruz at 4700 Wyndham Lakes Drive. He is positively identified and taken into custody. (1 mile walk from the McDonalds)

I can't speak on his mental capacity as I have not looked into the reports on that.

As far as the ability to purchase the guns, I do know that he was left an $800K inheritance that he tried to gain access to months before the shooting. A reasonable person would conclude that his mother had additional cash/liquid assets on hand at the time of his mother's death that he was able to access. Like flint mentioned, he did have a job and essentially zero bills. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could afford the gun purchases.

It is a great idea to ask question, but playing "What if" with false flags and conspiracy theories is a far cry from asking reasonable questions.


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I think we all know by now that both sides (rep/dem, cons/lib, etc) put out false narratives and inaccurate information.

That information is then repeated over and over and people begin to believe that it is fact.

There are extremists on both sides that will do anything to further their cause.

I think this is one that the internet stories have run wild.

I don't see this kid outsmarting anyone. He was caught within 2 hours.

Yes, everyone should ask questions. But after asking the questions, you have to explore the answers and understand everything you hear is not the truth. Everything that "your side" puts on the internet is not the truth while everything the "other side" puts out there is false. There is some truth and some falsehood coming from both.

You have to sift thru many agendas and words to actually get to the truth. If in fact you want it.....


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Once someone calls a gun magazine a clip, they lose all credibility as far as I’m concerned. Next he gonna accuse him of having a mud boat without floatation!


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This is the official timeline of the shooters activity. As you can see, he was not apprehended 2-1/2 miles away from the McDonald's where he was last seen. It was only 1 mile away and he had more than 20 minutes to get there. I know when I was a 19 years old asthmatic, I could run a mile and a half in less than 12 minutes.

2:29 p.m.
- Cruz takes a southbound turn, crosses fields and runs west along with others who are fleeing and tries to mix in with the group running away.

2:50 p.m.
- Cruz arrives at the Walmart at 6001 Coral Ridge Drive, buys a drink at the Subway inside and leaves on foot. (.5 miles walk from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School)

3:01 p.m.
- Cruz arrives at the McDonald's at 5741 Coral Ridge Drive, sits down for a short time and leaves on foot. (.3 miles walk from the Walmart)

3:41 p.m.
- A Coconut Creek Police Department officer detains Cruz at 4700 Wyndham Lakes Drive. He is positively identified and taken into custody. (1 mile walk from the McDonalds)

I can't speak on his mental capacity as I have not looked into the reports on that.

As far as the ability to purchase the guns, I do know that he was left an $800K inheritance that he tried to gain access to months before the shooting. A reasonable person would conclude that his mother had additional cash/liquid assets on hand at the time of his mother's death that he was able to access. Like flint mentioned, he did have a job and essentially zero bills. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could afford the gun purchases.

It is a great idea to ask question, but playing "What if" with false flags and conspiracy theories is a far cry from asking reasonable questions.
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Final food for thought....

He was arrested with 8" to 10" of blue undies showing and wearing pants gangster style....

When teachers saw the actual shooter they saw what looked like a swat officer wearing "all black"
with a helmet, bulletproof jacket, boots, etc...

No one said - "I saw a swat officer with blue undies wearing his pants gangster style"

A weak minded drugged teen could easily be coerced into a confession and might even
be fooled into saying and thinking he did all this - even if all he did was shoot up a stairwell
or hallway - then toss the gun and run away....

Like many things we are told by our media news - the Vegas shooting and now this florida
shooting just don't add up and make sense.... A staged presentation of an agenda does....

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I know in my heart that the earth is round, but I'm not as sure that we actually went to the moon in the 1960's. Not saying we didn't tho.


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I think the Vegas shooting is far shadier than this one. However, it seems that every time there is something bad like this that happens, the sheriff and law enforcement drops the ball.


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I think the Vegas shooting is far shadier than this one. However, it seems that every time there is something bad like this that happens, the sheriff and law enforcement drops the ball.


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It seems like everytime the news and media start gaining ground on proving that Hillary & Others did some illegal shit and the public is really wanting answers, something like this happens and gets everyones attention off of her. :roll: :?

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What if ???

Two Swat team were shooting at each other with students in a crossfire ???

One Swat team was there without notification to command or more importantly
without notification to the other Swat team....


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The two unidentified officers were suspended on Wednesday after officials learned that “the two employees took it upon themselves to respond without notification to the SWAT commander” on February 14, creating “an extreme hazard by way of accountability, responsibility, and liability,” Chief Dexter Williams said in a statement.

Miramar's SWAT team had been training in nearby Coral Springs that morning and had been placed on stand-by after the active-shooter report, but the Broward Sheriff's Office never called for them.

Williams emphasized that two officers were suspended because of their failure to notify the proper personal.

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This explains the female student account of walking beside Cruz outside
the school as shots were being fired inside the school....

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Dropping the ball on events like this.

I will agree that the FBI, local police, school.... all dropped the ball.

That being said, how much of your day can you spend researching the possibility of some nut job doing what this kid did? same for the kid that did the shooting at Sandy Hook, Columbine, and a bunch of these.


Lot of weird kids on mental meds, playing hours of first person shooter video games per day, that say crazy stuff. Very few actually ever do anything crazy.

There are 98,827 public schools in America. Not even half a percent ever see a school shooting.

Would be nice if folks could pick up a clue quicker, but in a real world when you start prioritizing your time, you don't get to spend a lot of time on "might be" stuff.

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