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| Author: | HuntFishGrill [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Buyers Remorse? |
I'll admit right up front... I ain't got a ton of money. In fact I bought my boat from Chad over two years ago and it's been sitting brand new under a tarp ever since while I figure out how to get a motor. I'm about to be where I can go to the bank for motor money. All this time I've had my heart set on a 27hp PD, and now I'm starting to panic a little. I just get the sense that motor is just not fast enough or good in the really technical and nasty stuff. Am I crazy? I went out three days last week in a MB I've had plenty of stick time with and have been on tilt ever since. I mean I believe that PD is the better motor but My boat is a little on the small side. It measures 17'x48" but it's a closed bow (skiff) and it's really more like a 16 foot boat in size with short sides and transom. I feel like i know what the better product is, but I also don't want to go to the bank for 18 mph and a headache. Somebody chime in and help with this. I know threads get jacked plenty, but this really is the place to get good motor feedback and I gotta get my mind right ASAP. |
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| Author: | cb5331 [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
I don't really know what the question is. Take out a little more and put a 36 on it. |
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| Author: | take'emgator [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:43 pm ] |
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I was gonna say the same |
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| Author: | Woodiebuster [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:44 pm ] |
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Get the transom built up to tall for 100$ or so buy a 36 PD, have a good rig and don't have regrets of too weak a motor. The weight difference is minimal, plenty of people run a 36 on boats that size. |
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| Author: | HuntFishGrill [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
i don't think i can put over 300lbs on the tail of it with a 36hp can i ?... i guess that's my question. going to the bank for $5500 or $7000 isn't really the issue(assuming i have to go to the bank for a new one). I just don't think the 27hp is enough grunt but the extra 100 lbs on the transom kinda bothers me not knowing how the boat will deal with that |
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| Author: | Beadlejuicejr [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:52 pm ] |
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If your 1748 can't hold a 36 you got a problem |
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| Author: | cb5331 [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:52 pm ] |
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Briggs 36 is 125 lbs, Kohler 27 is 105 lbs |
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| Author: | take'emgator [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:52 pm ] |
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You'll be surprised what a boat that size can handle, people run the same rig you have, get a 36 and go with it |
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| Author: | Woodiebuster [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:54 pm ] |
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| Author: | duckduckboom [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:54 pm ] |
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if you buy a 36 you will be done with it. My buddy runs a 32 pd on a 17 40 skiff and that thing rolls. you just might have to add weight to the front end |
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| Author: | HuntFishGrill [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
hmmmm.... for whatever reason i thought there was a 100lb difference in the two motors. KP confirmed the 36hp was 320lbs so i started letting my mind drift these past few days. and as i said, it's 17 feet but the front 2 feet are all point so it's really a smaller boat |
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| Author: | dylana35 [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
i run a 16ft weldbilt with a 32hp pd with no problems.i would imagine theres not much of a weight difference between a 32 and a 36.i have no problems with it |
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| Author: | HuntFishGrill [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:57 pm ] |
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| Author: | Beadlejuicejr [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:58 pm ] |
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I had a 36 pd on a 1644. Didn't have any problems exept having to put gas tanks and icechest to the front |
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| Author: | Woodiebuster [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
There is more of that skiff in the water than the long raked bateau's people are running. |
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| Author: | dylana35 [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:59 pm ] |
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go with the 36 and quit stressing youll be happy |
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| Author: | duckduckboom [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:59 pm ] |
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i think the advice is clear. get a 36 |
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| Author: | cb5331 [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:59 pm ] |
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| Author: | HuntFishGrill [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:04 pm ] |
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well it sounds like a 36 is the deal. how much should i consider making the transom tall? is that for the sake of the backwash on the boat or is the long shaft PD a better performer? |
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| Author: | cb5331 [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:05 pm ] |
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For what little money it cost to do it, I would say go for it. Yes, mainly for backwash, also puts the tiller handle a little higher which is nice for driving while standing. Go to 19.5" |
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| Author: | Woodiebuster [ Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:09 pm ] |
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I don't believe there is an extra charge for a TT Pro-Drive anymore. Go 19.679 when you build it up, not many people know it but you can break the 40mph mark with this height. |
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| Author: | TX Aggie '06 [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
I had a 27 PD on my 1648 gator-trax. It was fine for me and my bro-in-law (he is a big boy) but if we ran 3 guys it was a slug. I know people that run 27 pd's on an 18 ft boat and have no problem. I recently switched to a 35 Mb and it has transformed my 1648. If it was me and i was sure i wanted a PD i would have the transom built up and get a 36 tall transom. May have to wait a bit longer for fundage but man it makes a WORLD of difference on the shorter boats. |
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| Author: | marsh mule [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
Don't get a motor without reverse!! I almost didn't get it and I would be kickin myself if I didn't... |
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| Author: | DeathMetalDukk [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:03 pm ] |
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Go with the 36. Definitely not too heavy, I'm running a 35GTR on my 16' boat. |
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| Author: | duramaxdiesel09 [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:50 pm ] |
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My buddy had a 36 on a short transom tin can War Eagle. It carried the motor fine. Something to think about: The MB HD 35 Mini doesn't weigh but 245. |
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| Author: | pooldoo73 [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:19 pm ] |
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I have a 36 on a 15x4. U have plenty boat to get the 36. |
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| Author: | brasso [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:25 pm ] |
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Go as big as you can afford, that boat will handle it. We've got a 36 on a 16x48 and it handles it just fine. I've ran it up on levees plenty of times and never got a drop of backwash. You'll be kicking yourself in the azz later if you get something of smaller hp. You can never have enough with these mud motors |
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| Author: | crittergitter [ Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
i have a 1652 lake sport with a 36 PD all i did was move fule to front of boat it runs great. |
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| Author: | duramaxdiesel09 [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
I had a 1648 with a 27 Pro Drive once upon a time and it wouldn't plane a 2 person load going duck hunting. It would fly with just me in it, but once loaded down it was all over. Buy the biggest hp you can afford. |
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| Author: | DVR [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
I've had several 36's. Twice I have purchased clean used 27's thinking I would be happy and save some money. It should be noted both were acquired from individuals who bought 36's. The first one I sold before the boat was even built. The second I made one S. La trip and ordered a new 36 from KP before I got through NO. I run 1848's and often hunt 3. No brainer on the tall transom and reverse. I think you will be fine if you run a light load with the 27. Running heavy the 36 is well worth the extra money. |
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| Author: | HuntFishGrill [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
Hey Guys thanks to you all. this thread is MMT at its best. I feel great about building up the transom and going 36hp, now. I have fretted long enough of going to the well for a motor i wouldn't be happy with performance-wise and this answered a bunch of those questions. It ain't like i want to break the sound barrier, I just want to tote three guys in the low-mid twenties and not worry about a damn thing else other than prop wear. Awesome help from the group JW |
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| Author: | HuntFishGrill [ Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
One more thing, I have search like crazy to find some threads with images on building up a transom, but can't find them anywhere. I see where there were suggested heights but I want to round up some good images so that my welder has something solid to go on. (don't really want to hack up my boat on a "hunch") |
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| Author: | brasso [ Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
Whats the side heigth? |
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| Author: | centxhunter [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:44 am ] |
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What is the advantage of tall transom vs. short transom? Any performance advantage with short tail vs. long tail? Or just keeping water out of the boat? |
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| Author: | brasso [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Buyers Remorse? |
Reassurance of less to no backwash. |
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| Author: | 50fps [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:56 am ] |
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| Author: | 50fps [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:59 am ] |
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Here are some more photos. P3070005.JPG P3070004.JPG P3070007.JPG |
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| Author: | med [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:23 am ] |
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Thanks for posting Mitch. I saved the photos because ill probably be doing this to mine. Anything you would change? |
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| Author: | 50fps [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:49 am ] |
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| Author: | willett [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:51 am ] |
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