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| Author: | Mallards Only [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I need somebody to explain a hull concept to me |
I'm currently exploring options for a new boat after selling my PD/Phowler set-up due to changes in my primary hunting environment. Because I'm mainly hunting flooded river with shallow water gravel and rock, the MM and its slower speeds just weren't the best set-up. So now I'm probably gonna go with a prop on a tunnel hull. Here's the concept I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around though. After looking at Gator Trax, Kent is trying to talk me into a 1654 with a huntdeck rather than a 1754. I understand how split pods with the motor still mounted on the transom probably improve flotation, holeshot and shallow water performance due the "inner-tube" flotation effect around the motor. However, if you're mounting the motor straight to the back of the huntdeck, how is this any better than just having an extra foot of hull? I can see maybe a slight improvement by having to sit/stand slightly further forward to operate the motor but is there really that much better shallow water performance of having the hunt deck over just having a longer hull. Seems like with the longer hull, I'd get the benefit of more inside boat space as well. |
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| Author: | rhock19 [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I need somebody to explain a hull concept to me |
It doesnt help float any better than a normal hull, but I believe gatortrax doesnt include the huntdeck in their length. So a 1654 would be 16ft plus whatever length the huntdeck is. So if the huntdeck is 18" the boat would be 17.5' long. Someone correct me if I am wrong |
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| Author: | btmannin [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:41 pm ] |
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Your right... 1654 hd is 17'8" total length |
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| Author: | BayouRunner [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I need somebody to explain a hull concept to me |
Hunt deck gets the motor out of the back of the boat. Platform is pretty handy for getting in and out of the boat. Also keeps the wash from coming over the back when you stop. After owning a hunt deck I don't think I'd go back to a boat without one. You can also put your gas tank in there as well. Gatortrax boats like their weight in the back of the boat |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I need somebody to explain a hull concept to me |
I'm assuming you mean outboard prop engines and not a MM ! GT gave a MM tunnel a good try but it was a cluster flop... No offense to GatorTrax because they make good hulls.... But - they don't know spit about tunnel hulls.... A good tunnel is hard to design and requires a lot of R&D to get right - go find a builder renowned for building tunnel hulls.... A well designed tunnel setup can run all day in 4" of water and never skuff the prop with engines from 35hp to 150hp plus.... How big a motor / rig are you contemplating --- check out Boatright Hulls.... http://www.boatrightmarine.com ---- they can get it done ! |
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| Author: | 50fps [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:03 pm ] |
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| Author: | 50fps [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:05 pm ] |
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| Author: | Mallards Only [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I need somebody to explain a hull concept to me |
Sounds like I'm right then. Not sure why GT is pushing the HD so much. I can see the advantage of ease getting in and out for me and dog and also the backwash but those things are not enough to justify the extra cost, IMO. Gigafowl, I've been trying to find hull builders who have a lot of experience building tunnel hulls. Didn't see any on the Boatright website. Do you know of any other mfrs? So far, all I've found are Lowe, SeaArk, and GT. I'll give Boatright a call on Monday to discuss with them but curious if there are any other mfrs that I'm unaware of. I'm thinking 16-17' with a 50-70HP outboard. |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:22 pm ] |
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FYI - Nearly all of the Boatrights sold are tunnels - a buddy had a 24foot with 175 that easy skimmed over 4" deep water over sand without skuffing a prop and they are very well built with full USCG floatation - excellent hulls.... Look a bit closer - http://www.boatrightmarine.com/FishingB ... fault.aspx . |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:31 pm ] |
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| Author: | SETx Longtail [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:34 pm ] |
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Those boats look like tanks!!! Very nice!! |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:55 pm ] |
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| Author: | instagator911 [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:11 pm ] |
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The " float boxes " will act as a after plane. Will help with boat squating on takeoff more than a foot longer boat. Have put many a tunnel and or float boxes in regular john boats. |
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| Author: | Mallards Only [ Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:16 am ] |
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| Author: | Gigafowl [ Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:31 pm ] |
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That is right - pods put both hull and floatation BEHIND the weight of the motor and the tunnel brings water UP above the hull bottom for the prop to use in an elevated position where the skeg is barely below the hull bottom.... Huntdeck design makes no performance difference whatsoever.... |
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| Author: | idabilly [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:17 am ] |
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| Author: | Prodigy [ Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:49 am ] |
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We also build custom vented tunnels. Wrapping up a 19.5/60 3/16 bottom w a Yamaha 115 and hydraulic jack Plate right now. Tunnel was built to work w this motor and the power tech prop it will turn. |
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| Author: | Mallards Only [ Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:03 am ] |
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