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TDUET
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Joined: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:57 pm Posts: 701 Location: Luling, LA (St. Charles Parish)
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 Re: Cams
just got my boat back from Hoyt after installing his cam and a little head work.. I ran 33 - 33.7 at one point with a very bad cross wind and it was still pulling.... Im very happy and cant wait to run it again to see how well it performance.
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dguidry
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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 Re: Cams
Please enter you rig details below. Thanks.
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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med
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:25 am Posts: 6432 Location: the dark side of the moon
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Wonder if Hoyt has anything for a 27?
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Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:29 am |
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po po mud duck
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:13 am Posts: 317 Location: Port Arthur TX.
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 Re: Cams
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:16 am |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Cams
That's a big ass cam.
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:35 am |
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schmitt
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:33 pm Posts: 1177 Location: WI
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 Re: Cams
is hoyt having all you guy's run roller rockers? Bps said you halfta run them with there cam. might just go evt or hoyt then
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:37 am |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Cams
I'm running a BPS cam with stock rockers.
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:40 am |
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MaXXis85
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: Cams
I run stock rockers with Hoyt's cam.
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:44 am |
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po po mud duck
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:13 am Posts: 317 Location: Port Arthur TX.
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A few benefits when running higher ratio roller rockers.
The ratio of a rocker arm refers to the amount of movement on the valve side of the rocker arm in comparison to the pushrod side. A 1.3:1 rocker arm will move a valve 1.3 times the lift of the cam. If your cam has a lobe lift of .300 inches, multiply by 1.3 to get .390 inches of actual valve lift. With the same cam lift of .300 inches: If you do the math on a set of 1.5 rocker arms: Multiply 1.5 x .300 inches of lobe lift. You get .450 inches of actual valve lift. Essentially, changing to a larger ratio rocker arm is the same as increasing the valve lift and duration of your cam. The larger ratio makes the engine think the cam is larger than it really is. Opening both valves further and holding them open longer usually is a benefit in the power department as your engine is capable of moving more air and exhaust through it.
The moment of inertia is the rocker's resistance to rotation. The higher this measurement, the more valve spring pressure it takes to control the rocker arm instead of the valves - losing rpm and horsepower. The moment of inertia is lowered by lightening the rocker arm's weight, particularly at areas that are farther from the trunion. Two ways you can do this are by switching to a lighter weight material or by removing mass from the rocker body design.
I don't see any reason why you would HAVE to run the aftermarket roller rockers with any performance cam, BUT if you want to get the full potential from the cam you should.
I believe the stock stamped steel 35 rockers have a 1.3 rocker ratio where the roller tip aluminum BPS have a 1.5 ratio.
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:22 am |
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schmitt
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:33 pm Posts: 1177 Location: WI
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 Re: Cams
That's what I thought, most were running without and save $300. I just put a pd together and went with the bps cam and stock rockers and it seems to run just fine.
thx
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:14 pm |
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craig
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:53 pm Posts: 7515 Location: Chauvin
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deadbird8
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:50 pm Posts: 3833 Location: Old East Dallas, Texas
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:36 pm |
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SP
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:46 pm Posts: 1210
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Nobody is worried about running a welded Cam? Just a question, and not meant to be a loaded one either...It is a concern of mine...
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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What cam on the market is welded?
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:59 pm |
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craig
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:53 pm Posts: 7515 Location: Chauvin
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deadbird, if put on a dyno, the engine using the aftermarket rockers will produce more power....but barely. Against the advice of Hoyt, bjg, and gator guy, all of whom have built MANY of these engines, I tried them. For about an hour.
Most people want to be able to actually see the difference these parts make. Convincing people to spend $300.00 on a part that cost approx. $50-100 to make, and provides no actual 'noticeable' gain, and only provides an increase of a fraction of a fraction of horsepower is insane to me. But that's me.
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SP
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Joined: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:46 pm Posts: 1210
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deadbird8
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Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:50 pm Posts: 3833 Location: Old East Dallas, Texas
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_________________ Excel 1851F4 w/ MB35HD+R CDI with a little bit of this and little bit of that
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