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Will
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 Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
I have used the search engine for the past week looking at every possible combination and really haven't gotten a good answer for what I want to know. I know mod topics are beat to death but...
It appears most are concerned with top speed on mods but I need load carrying power for up to 850lbs - 1000lb load in a 17x54 with a 36PD. This is 3 guys and enough gear to bowfish all night and bring back a couple hundred pounds of fish. Currently, the boat wont get over 3600 rpm and just plows with this kind of load. I don't expect to mod and run 29 with this load but it would be nice if it would get out of the water and possibly run on step.
From what I understand either changing the heads or at least changing the valves and porting and polishing the heads will give the most gain along with a more open exhaust. Now I'm stuck on a cam or carb? Alot of you guys are running cam, heads, exhaust with the factory carb and say it works. I'm thinking of going this route and have the option of adding a new carb later if needed.
Any experineced insight on what would be best for torque and durability would greatly be appreciated. Sorry for the possible repeat of a subject, I just haven't been able to find the answer for torque and not speed...
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deltaduckmaster
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Go with stage one call Caleb talk to him !! I run the same load your talking bout for the2 years!!
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:28 am |
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marsh mule
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
Cam for load carrying, I only got the carb cause they were like, 50% off at the time..
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:34 am |
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
With a cam and heads, I figure you need the roller rockers and heavy duty push rods, correct? Does anything need to be done to the lower end of the motor with this mod, or will that end handle the changes?
Thanks again. BTW, I'm from Florida and have seen Calebs name mentioned on here but how can I get inn touch with him to find out where he's located and what he suggests?
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:38 am |
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WestEndAngler
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Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:11 am Posts: 9143 Location: Houston | Surfside
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I'm with Terry. I run heavy fishing loads. 3 guys. 120 yetti, casting deck, poling platform and trolling motor, 2 batteries and 14ga of gas. I run 29-30 with my mods. I'm also in an 1860 though.
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UNCLE-J
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deltaduckmaster
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He is a sponsor on here!! As fir as rockers and rods no!! I have stock pistons and rods!! Heads and a cam from Hoyt I do have a black death intake and carb!! I really think carb and intake are not needed!! You want a motor that has a good bottom end!! One thing to remember modded motors don't like go be under a heavy load and turning low rpm's!! In other words 3500 rpm's under a load is not good creates a bad vibration inside the motor!! I have a prop that I use only for bowfishing! With 4 people and all my gear it runs 24 mph but turns around 4000 rpm!! That just my experience !!
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UNCLE-J
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Joined: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:26 am Posts: 10388 Location: S-Ville, LA
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Just checked sponsor list. No Caleb.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:15 am |
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:21 am |
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CJB
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Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:46 am Posts: 5216 Location: Across the Bayou, LA
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
 They're talking about Cale n with an "n"
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:23 am |
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UNCLE-J
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LOL
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UNCLE-J
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+1 (337) 578-4434
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:26 am |
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
DDM sending somebody on wild goose chase !!!!!
DDM!!!! Are you getting this !!!!! Did I used enough !!!!!!'s for ya!!!!!!
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:27 am |
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deltaduckmaster
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Sorry I have a Caleb in my phone it auto fixed it got me!! Sorry!!
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:47 am |
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DuckHunterF250
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
you can call Cody at setxperformance, alot of people running his mods with no complaints
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
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jhebert
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Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:47 am Posts: 104 Location: erath,la
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
I just left Calen's with my boat had him put a stage 1 on it. Motor run great cant wait to get off work and go try it!!
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WestEndAngler
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Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:11 am Posts: 9143 Location: Houston | Surfside
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dfou
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Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:38 am Posts: 3986 Location: Pville, La
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Cody did mine and It has held up great
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:05 am |
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
Spoke with Cody, waiting to see if he has heads and an intake in stock so i wont have any down time. He pretty much confirmed my first instinct of carb, heads and exhaust. I got twisted reading where some are doing a cam, heads, exhaust on factory carb combo... I'm having issues with the factory carb on idle no matter how you adjust it. I understand the Minkuni idles better and has an accelerator pump as well. Should be much smoother.
Thanks for the pointers,I will post up when I make the changes with a review.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:12 am |
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OwenDickeson
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 Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
Do a cam while your at it.
I did heads, carb, and exhaust first then added a cam. Cam really woke it up.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:19 am |
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:34 am |
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Calen
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
Heads ,cam ,exhaust will carry more of a load than carb and heads. I would always put a cam before a carb
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:53 am |
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deltaduckmaster
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$750 for carb!! To me after running my mods for the last 7 years not needed!! I have one and I like it but not needed!!
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:00 pm |
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:01 pm |
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Calen
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:21 pm |
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:26 pm |
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OwenDickeson
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You can do the cam, it's a piece of cake
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:49 pm |
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Calen
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
If you have enough knowlege to do heads carb and exhaust. you should be able to do the cam.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:50 pm |
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mizzippi jb
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Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:53 pm Posts: 5077 Location: The duck Mecca called Ga!
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
Will, get with bbb from bainbridge. He did the cam on his GD. If you want to test a pd with heads, carb, and exhaust, put your shit in my boat and we will see what she will do. (I didn't have the heads at the Mic ride)
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
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mizzippi jb
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
Haven't loaded it down yet, biggest load I have had is me, 2 BIG guys (500 lbs. total) and a cooler. 28 with that, 31 bumpin 32 pretty regular by myself. What did you decide on?
_________________ HOTSAUCE170 wrote: I've never gone to Seminole for the amenities/luxury the two reasons I go down there are to kill shit and get fucked up with like minded individuals aka OG'S. If you want to swirl wine and stay in a room where politics and investment diversity are discussed (with no roaches) lake lanier is near Atlanta. If you wanna have an awesome time and maybe stay in a room where children were conceived on one side and someone got stabbed over an 8-ball on the other come on down I got a can of raid.
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Will
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
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Beadlejuicejr
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
I think you'll regret no cam
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:14 pm |
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mizzippi jb
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_________________ HOTSAUCE170 wrote: I've never gone to Seminole for the amenities/luxury the two reasons I go down there are to kill shit and get fucked up with like minded individuals aka OG'S. If you want to swirl wine and stay in a room where politics and investment diversity are discussed (with no roaches) lake lanier is near Atlanta. If you wanna have an awesome time and maybe stay in a room where children were conceived on one side and someone got stabbed over an 8-ball on the other come on down I got a can of raid.
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Beadlejuicejr
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Good observation captin obvious
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mizzippi jb
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_________________ HOTSAUCE170 wrote: I've never gone to Seminole for the amenities/luxury the two reasons I go down there are to kill shit and get fucked up with like minded individuals aka OG'S. If you want to swirl wine and stay in a room where politics and investment diversity are discussed (with no roaches) lake lanier is near Atlanta. If you wanna have an awesome time and maybe stay in a room where children were conceived on one side and someone got stabbed over an 8-ball on the other come on down I got a can of raid.
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richard nagon
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 Re: Beat to death but I'm stuck on mod decision
a cam over a carb will always be a better choice. if weight carrying is ur issue. calen 1 others 0.
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deltaduckmaster
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Dude sold you a $700 carb over a $100 cam !! Lol
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dfou
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