Anyone know if Lake Verret has public houseboat morring? Have to move out of the wax just looking for a place to park it.

There is one on elm hall WMA
If you don't lime that one let me know and I can show you a few more places on state land

Park that sucker between Lake Palourde and Grassy Lake.

the pass you are referring to between the lakes is managed by williams land company. you have to obtain a lease.

You can park it anywhere on the bank
of any navigable or historically navigable waterway in Louisiana without a lease from anyone. They'll tell you you need one but call their bluff.

me and my family have been gettin screwed for the last 20 yrs. then.

dguidry , a quick figure is we have payed 120,000 dollars in the last 20 yrs. on lease fees. interested in takin the case?

along with prolly 60 other lease holders in the area. i think if really look in to any property you cant just go stake claim.

but lets say by some chance it does fly (which it wont) if you camp is in a navicable waterway at night without proper lighting and someone hits it your liable.

im sayin that dguidry because you cannot tie to the bank but you can anchor.

Dguidry, I'm stating the obvious but you're an idiot for telling people that. If you think that any "navigable" waterway is public, then I have a proposition for you. I'll give you the key & coordinates to my houseboat in Golden Meadow that you can use anytime you want. The only thing you have to do is stop by the guard shack at the main canal entrance and explain your case to him. I'm sure he'll let you pass. All I ask in return is that you video tape it for me.

In all honesty, the rule for whether or not a navigable waterway is public is if it was navigable when Louisiana was admitted to the Union in the 1800's (don't know the exact year). The LA Office of State Lands has a very nice website that you can go to and look at maps showing State claimed waterways.

thanks for a better explination wilson im not into the whole typing thing .and thank for dguidrys new nickname

natural bank whole nine yards depending on which part of the pass your on you have a lot r not. but every lot has an electric pole. so park your camp wherevere dguidry suggest im sure theyll hook you up with a lease plus back pay .dguidry im trying to explain .that it is leasable property all along the pass. i dont think i need to break out paper work to show you .obviously your not familiar with the area so y make a comment.

Knucleheads, not a private canal, wma, etc. It's got to be an historically navigable waterway. I should have been more specific. Many areas claimed by private landowners were actually historically navigable and are public but many have never been challenged. St Martin Land Company land claims in Henderson lake, lake bijeaux, Indian bayou have never been challenged. Houseboat owners pay them anyway. I would not and the would have to challenge me in court, but they wouldn't because they would not want to risk a decision on that issue.

i made a comment concerning a certain pass. so go discuss this with someone who wanst to park in the places u mentioned.

They probably wouldn't mind challenging you since most cases have historically been won by the land owner.

WILSON,i'll take that video for you,send me a set of keys.i dont need the coordinates but not sure which one of the two camps is yers.will clean up after myself.my dad is the 6'6" guard in da shack at times

It's the new white one that replaced our old camp across from Rebstock's. But it's cheating if you've got a pass and PLEASE don't ever bring dguidry back there. I don't know if he could handle the fact of just how wrong he was.

We could have some real fun and try to send him back to the pumping station on Yankee. He'd only have to get past 1 guard, a Do Not Enter sign, go over the wire floating with styrofoam blocks, through two locked gates (one about 10 feet high) and then pray to god he doesn't run into Wazi, the old crabber who leases that property. I'd give a kidney to have that confrontation on video. I can just see dguidry saying "but this a navigable waterway and therefore I have the right to be here. You can take me to court if you dare but just to let you know, I am a big time attorney". I'm not sure what the response would be, but I definitely wouldn't eat any crabs from that area for a very long time.

Go ahead and buck what someone says.. Next time you go to your camp, bring a tent.. Because there is a good chance your camp will be burnt down to the pontoons..

Just Uncle J's $.02

with Love,

What about the pass between Lake Verret and Grassy lake?

In a nutshell, here's the law:

Water Bodies and Water Bottoms
a. Bodies of Water
(1) Navigable Waters
(a) Generally: All natural navigable bodies of water are owned
by the state as public things and their use is free to all. See
LA. CIV. CODE art. 450.
(b) Navigability: A body of water is “navigable” if it is capable
of being used as a highway for commercial traffic. If it is
navigable in fact, it is navigable in law. Note that the body
of water need not be currently navigated; it only needs to
be capable of being so used.
(2) Navigable Canals: If a canal is built with private funds on private
land it will be private property and public use can be effectively
enjoined. Even if public water is diverted to the canal its ownership
will remain private. See LA. CIV. CODE art. 450, cmt. f.

And here's why anyone can use the banks to moor a houseboat:

2) Bottoms of Navigable Rivers and Streams
(a) Beds: The state owns the beds of navigable rivers and
streams to the low water mark. See LA. CIV. CODE art.
450.
(b) Banks: The bank is the land between the ordinary highand
low-water mark. Nevertheless, when there is a levee
established according to law, it establishes the bank. See
LA. CIV. CODE art. 456.
i) Private Ownership: The banks of navigable rivers
and streams are private things. See LA. CIV.
CODE art. 456.
LOUISIANA PROPERTY LAW
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ii) Public Use: Banks of navigable rivers and streams
are private things subject to public use. See LA.
CIV. CODE art. 456. The use must be incidental
to navigation on the stream. Mooring would be
allowed but not camping on the banks. See LA.
CIV. CODE art. 456, cmt. b.

Many areas in Henderson, Indian Bayou are navigable now and could be used for commerce and were actually used in such a way many years ago: Bayou Fuselier, Fordoche, etc. Today, in Indian Bayou WMA, the corps prohibits overnight house boat stays north of I-10, except on private property, like where the bayou splits and where those three house boats are always moored. Technically, one could moor a houseboat anywhere there is a navigable steam, which is currently capable of commercial traffic or historically was commercially in use and there ain't a damn thing they can do about it.

Good to know.

check the state land maps as stated above,you should be ok there,some places require it to be moved every so many weeks though,check wit your local cucumber cop.
wilson,id love to see him back there,he wouldnt last too long in any marsh down here.
wazie would def.eat his lunch.

Go here to find what the state claims to be state land water bottoms where the public can use the bank to moor:

From what I am seening, all of Lake Verret is sate water bottom, so you can moor anywhere along the shore of it.

Wilson: the case you cited was decided on very narrow procedural grounds having nothing to do with the actual laws concerning nav waterways and public's use of private lands.

For your information, among many others, I did an oil and gas title opinion on one of the most complicated water bottom areas in the state: White Lake. 10,000 abstract pages and 60 pages of opinion detailing the laws on water bottoms on which My Client relied to drill multi million dollar projects. So I think I'm qualified to talk about this subject with anyone.

I'm assuming your client was the landowner and not a company leasing from the State. Were you arguing that the water bottom was private and not owned by the State?

The whole point I was trying to make is that in Louisiana the issue is a lot more complicated than just saying all "navigable waterways" are public. It's unfortunate but the reality is that in order to truly answer the question of whether a particular place is public or private, you either have to find a previous court case on that area or pay to have a title search done (and even that could be contested in court). Meaning don't rely on what some guy from the internet told you. LOL

Just out of curiosity, do you know Gary Keyser? I only know where you hunt, not where you practice or in what field, so I wasn't sure if the name would ring a bell.