My understanding with a little knowledge of how they work....

The BOP is on the floor with the riser bolted to the top.... as of right now they cut the riser to put on another hat which is somewhat working and they are looking at another hat the may or may not be more effcient....

Now the question???

Is the riser bolted to the top for the BOP???? If so do we have the capability with ROVs to unbolt the riser off the BOP???

If we do I know we have the capabilities of designing and building valves capable of handling the pressures....

Can we unbolt the riser.... and put a valve on top of the BOP open and once the valve is bolted to the BOP do the ROVs have the power to close the valve against that type of pressure????

Just throwing this out there and sure the Engineers at BP have thought about it but just asking?

All that could be done but then you are facing the possiblity of an undeerground blow out since it might be leaking from a collapsed or split casing down in the well.

good point.... but if that is the case then this would still be happening even if the BOP closed like if was supposed to do.... you basically have confirmed my thoughts that the only fix is the relief wells and the main thing now is to collect the flow coming out as much as possible... any cap they try now can lead to a downhole blowout and we still would be fighting this...

Been wonderin the same thing... Why they don't rig them ROVs with
some impact guns and just bolt on a collection header an piping to
the surface collection vessels....

Another problem is if that thing is leaking from a second place like maybe around the sea bed then a relief well might not work. Of course this is all if. I know nothing about the oil field, but i did sleep at the camp last night.

y'all can rest assured... they got some pretty big brains workin on this. If the solution were simple it would be done.

I've done some work at NASA --- some of them "big brains" don't
roll up their car winder in the rain.... 6 of them walked single file
into a containment room @ 100 % pure nitrogen, it's all clear on
my explosiometer --- duh....

If it took over 30 days to just whack off the dang riser and cut
three leak points down to just one --- I ain't too impressed...

Enjoyed watchin Huckabee's show last night all about the other
very simple solutions which are being overlooked --- along with
the ineptness of washington to comprehend the scope of this....

23 nations offered help with cleanup skimmers - washington declined...

Governors asked for empowerment to act - washington declined...

Big DA wants to know whose "ass to kick" - BP for not cuttin the check
to LA for sand berms and his own appointees fer bein DAs...

And where are the hundreds of thousands of tons of oil absorbent
products that should have been ordered and delivered to the governors
of affected states to be put out when needed --- like NOW ???

They haven't even cut a PO yet...

The washington dupes can't even grant the EPA permit to build
the sand berms --- EPA says USCG has to declare an emergency
to act, USCG waiting for FEMA, FEMA waiting for federal declaration
of an actual emergency....

Big Brains ???

Their sittin on their brains while we suffer !!!

Giga, I am pretty sure that BP doesn't care if you are impressed or not. All you have to do is keep on running your godevil and BP will plug up the leak after all procedures all followed. It might not be the ones you want but they have all the top engineers on board even thought, they don't raise their windows in the rain, they know what is down there and how much is coming up at them. I heard one engineer say that he knows how to reverse out do you know how to do that? Oh wait, your godevil can't reverse out.

Giga... your just another douche that don't know shit about what's goin on except for what you see on the news which don't have a clue either.

This is an email I put together a couple weeks ago that I'll go ahead & post here... the information is weeks old & the numbers have grown since then, but you get the drift. All the media reports is the fact that the spill has not stopped yet. They don't report all the resources that bp has deployed & continues to do so.

bp... the facts

I like many, have heard about enough of the negative spin from general public & news media about bp following the Horizon disaster. Most of it coming from people who have no idea of the magnitude of the problem or what resources bp is pouring into it to address the situation. Instead of circulating all the rediculous emails filled with accusations, allegations, & speculation surrounding the events at hand so I'm forwarding this list of facts to try to educate some folks. Do with it as you wish.


The rig explosion occurred on April 20th, and bp's incident response team was immediately activated. This included the activation of bp's oil spill response plan (OSRP) that had previously been agreed with the US Government. Two USCG cutters, four helicopters and one rescue plane was deployed. Within a matter of hours bp began subsea activation of the BOP.

On April 21st, the administration began holding meetings and regular calls with bp leadership to discuss bp’s response effort, as well as federal oversight and support.

On April 25th, bp started work on a relief well and reached out to potentially impacted Gulf States. By this date, bp and the Joint Incident Command had:
More than 30 response vessels deployed;
21,340 ft of boom deployed;
500 personnel responding.
Bp continued to build up their response effort, which currently includes:
more than 20,000 people from government and industry;
over 11,000 volunteers;
over 900 vessels including 46 skimmer vessels;
over 1.8 million ft of boom deployed with;
57 aircraft, 18 fixed wing delivering 216 dispersant flights.
The government has acknowledged bp's timely response. In testimony before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano said:
“I will say that British Petroleum leadership ... were in Washington very quickly. They were immediately assuming responsibility...They were in the command centers and in the staging areas. They have been working in terms of cleanup and hiring, for example, local fisherman to deploy boom and the rest”
Interior Secretary Salazar said this about the response plan:
“… in terms of a worst-case -- …[the plan] anticipated the resources available to cover a 250,000-barrel-per-day spill over a 30-day period, …. So in terms of spill response, there was and is a robust plan that is now being implemented.”

FTR.... bp has not called themselves "Brittish Petroleum" in years. They changed the name to simply "bp" over 5 years ago. It doesn't stand for British Petroleum or anything else. It's just bp.

"Bp doesn’t want to educate the public..." is something else that needs to be myth busted

The Joint Incident Command (JIC) (BP, the US Coast Guard, Transocean and MMS), as called for in the response plan, has established a joint communications effort to be accessible to media, responsive to information requests and informative to the public.
The JIC issues press releases daily, holds near-daily press conferences, posts all information on the incident website, uses Twitter and Facebook to disseminate information, and employs press officers through the Gulf region to respond to media inquiries;
There have been more than 27 million hits on the UAC website;
Bp supplements that effort, with its own press releases, dedicated web pages, twitter feeds, videos, and Facebook page;
Bp has community support teams in 21 counties across the region: 8 parishes in Louisiana, 8 counties in Florida, 3 counties in Mississippi, and 2 counties in Alabama;
Tony Hayward, Doug Suttles or Bob Dudley has appeared on every major media network, and other bp representatives are available for television, radio and print interviews across the region daily.

"BP is not listening to ideas from outside the company on how to tackle the leak and the spill..."

Bp has asked the best and brightest from across the industry to join them in this unprecedented challenge. There are over 90 companies working just in the Houston office
Industry: Petrobras, ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, Conoco Phillips, Anadarko, Marathon, Hess, ENI & others
Service Providers: Oceaneering, Schlumberger, Cameron, Transocean, Wild Well Control, Boots & Coots, Cudd Well Control, Halliburton, GE
Academia: LSU and U Texas faculty
The Unified Command integrates bp, Transocean, US Coast Guard, Dept. of Interior, NOAA, EPA, DHS, MMS, DOD, US Fish & Wildlife, National Park Service, Dept. of State, USGS, CDC, and OSHA
Bp is receiving huge numbers of offers of support and help from the public (over 63,000).

"Nobody from BP has voiced concern for the people and communities in Louisiana..."

In Louisiana alone, bp has over 1,800 people working to minimize the impact of the spill and protect the shoreline. They've deployed 450,660 ft boom, 399,790 ft sorbent boom, 426 vessels, and 19 skimmers. Bp's people are reaching out to local communities to put in place a claims process that is quick and effective so families can make their house payments and put food on the table.
Tony Hayward was in Louisiana on April 28, just days after the leak was discovered. He has been there more than 5 times since this incident began, speaking with those who are on the front lines of the response, meeting with the fishermen and others whose lives have been impacted, meeting with state and local officials to continuously improve our efforts to help affected individuals, and speaking to the people of Louisiana through television and radio interviews.
Bp has processed $8.3 million claims so far, and are welcoming additional claims every day.
Bp has issued a block grant of $25 million to Louisiana along with an $15 million to reinvigorate tourism.


"Why doesn't the federal government step in and take over...."

They can at any time they wish to. The fact is that the government isn't up to the task. USCG has the authority to take over any spill at any time, and usually exercises that right. The fact that they have not speaks wonders in itself that bp is doing a far better job at this than any one else out there could even try to.

The fact is... nothing like this has ever happened before. Planning for it was impossible, and dealing with it now is a far greater task than anyone could ever imagine. Nobody is more competent than bp at tackling this situation, nobody... even the other industry leaders have admitted to this. Everyone needs to just calm the fuck down, quit distracting them with all this nonsense, and let them do their job.

My big gripe IS with the government response and ineptitude...

Putting them in charge of the response would be absurd, but they
could do much more to assist State and local efforts....

Appearently 3 governors agree with me - just heard them say so
again this morning....

Alabama's governor just said that BP allocated enough spill boom
to go 3 layers --- but then "someone" under USCG authority came
and took it away and now they don't have enough for a single layer...
Due to lack of resources he has his National Guard helping people
fil out BP claims forms....

Florida's governor says he only has 300,000 feet of boom to protect
his entire state and desperately needs skimming vessels...


I guess you think they are dumbass douches too.....

Hey Stumpy,

I live up here in Minnesota and would love to cut and paste your response to a local waterfowl site. These asshats can't seem to figure it out and would think some useful enlightment might give em' a clue. Let me know if you'd allow it and how close are you to the actual information, ie "whats your position?"

Dude - those comments were primarily aimed at governmental agencies and policies....

Also you said "they" not "BP" in regards to "big brains" --- so I was venting on the washington
DAs which have been shoved into a leadership rule over our local leadership as well as BP...

Also venting on the fact that local State Governors and local leaders who have the greatest long term
responsibilites and rights to take actions have not been empowered to purchase, and act on
containment and recovery efforts of their own with some reasonable co-operative unified
chain of command to unify and enhance ALL the efforts including BP's !!!

Hey Giga if you are so much better then why don't you take your loving godevil and go and show them how to do it better

amazing how a simple questions goes to hell in a hand basket over the internet....

and stump.... its who fuckin' the donkey.... at leasts thats the way i learned it....

I prefer chickens myself, donkeys can get out of hand quick. lol

I know that there are numerous engineeres working on the solution to the problem, and there are thousands of IDEAS being sent in every day, but, this is my strategy on killing/plugging the well

1. Cut bolts on top of BOP and remove old riser flange
2. Install short riser with valve open ( studded flanges with built-in seal rings)
3. attach a production riser to surface.
4. on surface wing off to hydrolic chokes and put through some test equipment
5. once an open bore flow is established, start choking back flow rate while watching downhole pressure
6. RU Slick line
7. Make gauge run to tag bottomwith well flowing
.If SL tags deep enough to justify a safe plug off, RU coil
8. RIH with coil
. If depth allows, start displacing with heavy mud while choking back the flow rate from surface and watching pressure on casing so to never come close to burst on casing
. If depth doesn't allow for safely displaceing well, RU snubbing unit
. attempt to fish remainding drill stem
. after remainding drill stem is fished, plug with snubbing or with coil, or set a pack with e-line and tie into surface so as to eliminate pressure on the casing.

I know that BP has a lot on their plate, but these are standard procedures that would be used on any land or shelf well. I know that it's deep, (Hydrostatic pressure is what 2300psi+/- with temps below freezing, but methanol has a purpose) and this is one of the first of it's kind, but the attempt of these procedures hasn't been tried. I also know that i'm not in the closed door meetings so i also have no clue what they are working on. Just want it plugged as do so many others.

phuck it drop a nuc down there. It will do less damage.

I dont know if everyone has heard but there are two production rigs on the way from the North Sea in Europe where they actually are going to attach a new riser finally and send the oil to shore on production barges....

Two things.....

#1- Giga....your still a fukin dumbass. You have absolutely no idea what your yappin' about!

#2- Stumpgrinder-- Thanks for taking the time to shed a little light on what is "Actually" happening in da gulf. 99.999999% of the people only know what they're being told by Barrack or the news media. I could go on a typing marathon here also but don't have the patience to do so.

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT MON JUN 14 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

1. AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 1250 MILES EAST OF THE LESSER
ANTILLES HAS CHANGED LITTLE TODAY...BUT CONTINUES TO SHOW SIGNS OF
ORGANIZATION. ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE FORECAST TO REMAIN
SOMEWHAT CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LOW FOR THE NEXT DAY OR
SO...BUT ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME LESS FAVORABLE AFTER THAT. THERE
REMAINS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTHWESTWARD AT ABOUT 15 MPH.

ELSEWHERE...Tony Hayward of BP has a 99% chance of being lambasted Thursday in Washington