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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Never mind |
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| Author: | Kmoppert [ Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Very good looking dog! |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
I've thrown birds for this dog. He is the "real deal". His mom is one of the best hunt test, and hunting dogs I've shared a blind with. |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
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| Author: | The Shafer [ Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:39 pm ] |
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Pm sent |
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| Author: | JIMMY W [ Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
My Gator is also out of that bloodline and really love the way this dog works!Good Luck |
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| Author: | Hernaja1 [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Barracuda blue is a carrier of EIC . Must be clear by percentage some how |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Here is my two cents and I am not about to bang on the man's dog. Just the practice of people breeding for puppy mills or cash cows even though their dogs are not ALL CLEAR. A true breeder cares about the breed and it's integrity. I notice that your stud is a carrier of CNM. Centronuclear myopathy in Labrador Retrievers is a recessively inherited muscular disease. This disease was previously known as Labrador muscular myopathy. The disease is characterized by an early onset of muscular problems such as awkward gait, fatigue, and difficulty eating. Affected puppies generally begin displaying these problems within a few months after birth. As with other recessive diseases, animals with two copies of the mutation will be affected and display symptoms, whereas animals with one copy (carriers) and no copies (clear) will be symptom free. Clear The dog has 2 copies of the normal gene and will neither develop CNM, nor pass a copy of the CNM gene to any of its offspring. Carrier The dog has one copy of the normal gene and one copy of the mutant gene that causes CNM. It will not develop CNM but will pass on the CNM gene to 50% (on average) of its offspring Affected The dog has two copies of the CNM mutation and is affected with CNM. It will develop CNM at some stage during its lifetime, assuming it lives to an appropriate age. Carriers can still be bred to clear dogs. On average, 50% of such a litter will be clear and 50% carriers; there can be no affected puppies produced from such a mating. Dogs which will be used for breeding can themselves be DNA tested to determine whether they are clear or carrier. I for one would not breed my bitch to any dog that was anything but CLEAR. Even though the doctors who discovered the gene say a carrier can be bred with a clear and the puppies will not have symptoms or be affected, I would never take that chance. Just something to think about if you really had the best interest of the breed integrity at heart. You can get all the info you need on CNM by visiting this website Here is a video of a lab affected with CNM. I warn you though, if you are a dog lover, more particularly a lab lover this video is difficult to watch. I am just posting it here so you can see the affects this disease has on our beloved four legged family members. Good luck with your stud service. |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Kevin- I think you took my post out of context. I didn't insinuate anything toward you. It was a generalization. Trust me, if it was directed to you personally you would know it. I would have made that perfectly clear. It was not an attempt to torpedo anything. In fact, I think your dog is a gorgeous dog. You say that you have had talks with Dr. Marilyn Fender about CNM. That is great! I wish more breeders would do the same. You are educating yourself about the disorder. Through that education you would know there is a huge effort to rid the disorder, or gene, through controlled breeding of CLEAR dogs. There is also a parallel effort to educate the public. However, you offer none of what you have learned to the public in your post. If you really wanted to contribute to the breed and genuinely had the breeds best interest at heart you wouldn't breed the dog. That's how I feel about it. However, if you choose to breed the dog that is your right. So, with that being said I was simply informing Joe Public of what CNM is since you posted he is a CNM carrier without posting the facts about what CNM is. You reference a lot of things that we should not throw out. All those awards and accolades do not go unnoticed trust me. I can relate very intimately with what goes into those ribbons, certificates and abbreviations. I've been there, done that. So I applaud you and your dog for it. It is quite an achievement. No one can ever take those awards, achievements and memories away from you and your dog. At the end of the day though, when it comes to breeding, those awards and personal feelings do not trump a dogs health. I don't care if the dog has won Westminster Best in Show. Joe Public has a right to be educated and I am doing my part. So again, I am not banging on your dog, but I will PASSIONATELY disagree that, as you said, "A good breeder focuses on the WHOLE dog, not just one particular test." You want to reference a bullshit comment, well, that my friend is a bullshit comment. In closing, I do not think I am way off base one bit. I am simply making an effort to educate the public about CNM. You seem to know a little bit about labs and running some trials and whatnot. Have you posted this stud service out on RTF.net, HRC, Lab Pedigree Database, Brown Dog Mafia, AKC, UKC, etc? You might be better served there instead of a mud motor website, but then again most of the audience affiliated with those groups are educated about CNM and may choose to "rule him out as a stud." Like I said before, I think you took my last post out of context so I hope this one is a little more clear. Again, good luck with your dog and may you win many more trials and make great memories hunting together. |
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| Author: | Kelly [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Some of the most accomplished studs in history, are/were carriers of something. I am glad that their superior skills have been passed on to their puppies. How many Field, and Grand Champions would not exist if it were not for these super talented animals. Awareness plays the biggest role in reducing the genetic faults some of the greats have passed down. The dog above plays the canine equivalent to the NFL. His talent would be a great addition to someone looking to produce a great litter. So as a bitch owner , I am aware of the "carrier" gene and will make sure my bitch is "clear" of the gene. Problem solved. No need for excess drama or lessons on genetics. You are detracting from the man's stud post. |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:31 pm ] |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:50 pm ] |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
I PM'd you about a breeding? Not even fucking close. I wouldn't let your dog get close enough to sniff my dogs ass. I may have PM'd you about breeding with with your old lady, but not for your dog. Even then you never got a PM from me homeboy. So take your genetic retarded pot licking mutt and hit the fucking road jack! I tried to be polite and tactful. |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:15 pm ] |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
hey buddy...i kept it clean, tactful and respectful and gave factual, undisputed information about CNM and voiced my opinion of what I thought about it. You chose this route with personal attacks. Now if you want to be a dick about it then let's go. If not, then carry on or hit the fucking road. Doesn't make me a damn bit of difference. I can do this all day. One piece of advice before you make your decision though: Don't go offering a fucking stud dog without ALL CLEAR health certifications as your first posts on a mud motor forum. You might hear something you won't like and have a serious case of a swollen bloody asshole. Around here it is medically diagnosed as a case of butt hurt. Complete this form and turn it into Tony B on your way out the door. |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Thank you. I'm king of this fucking roost and the guru for all things "dog" here. There is only room for one of us and my reign is not over yet. Fucking please.... Seriously. You sound like a fucking third grader on a playground that just got sand kicked in his eyes. |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:51 pm ] |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:06 pm ] |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
I run UKC not AKC. Get your fucking titles straight before you try to clown someone. Not only is your dog retarded so are you. |
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| Author: | JIMMY W [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:12 am ] |
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| Author: | lastchance [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:34 am ] |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Good luck to everyone and their dogs. I have removed this stud offering. |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Sorry fellas. I simply tried to offer a bit more education on what a CNM affected/carrier dog is which he posted for stud service. I guess Kevin couldn't put his personal feelings aside and see it for what it really was and began with the personal attacks. It was game on after that. I am glad to see it removed though so no MMT member here gets misled and breeds with this dog. Thank you Kevin. Good luck lil buddy. |
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| Author: | rcmannjr [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:53 am ] |
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| Author: | Ducaholic [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Hey Barnes educate the public in another thread... |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:25 pm ] |
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| Author: | The Shafer [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:36 pm ] |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:01 pm ] |
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| Author: | quackconsumer [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
I understand perfectly. Kind the same reasons that humans who carry the democrat gene should not breed. |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Shrugggg....there have been some ugly things said by some parties on this thread and in PM's, and that includes me being guilty of that. For those that inquired about my dog as a stud, I've been up front and honest. Thanks for your inquiries. I hope everyone has a good test/trial season (whats left of it) and wish everyone well. I ain't about being vindictive, and prefer to let things go. |
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| Author: | chocolate head [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:58 pm ] |
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| Author: | barnes_53 [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Maybe so, maybe not. I'm not a politically correct kind of person. Never have been and never will be. Read through the threads and everyone that knows me knows when I'm fucking with someone or being real. All opinions are welcome. Chocolate head...that was a CNM carrier by the way, not EIC. Thanks for the input though. |
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| Author: | chocolate head [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
For the record, the original ad stated that I require ALL health clearances on prospective bitches. For me, that means EIC, CNM, hips, elbows, and eyes. There are several people on the forum who know me and my dogs personally and know I wouldn't consider this particular dog for breeding if I didn't think he brought good things to the table, despite his carrier status. There are very few competitive AA chocolates out there. I don't consider breeding my personal dogs unless I feel the dog has sufficient talent and has proven it. For me, that means a dog that is Grand or MNH TITLED or an AA FT contender. But, that's just me.... YMMV barnes_53 and I have had some somewhat heated exchanges both here on the forum and via PM's. And while we agree to disagree, we DO agree that a cold beer and some good dog time is a good thing. So, it's all good. |
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| Author: | Hernaja1 [ Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Bariccuda blue is a carrier of EIC |
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| Author: | CatSquirrel [ Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:22 am ] |
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| Author: | brasso [ Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chocolate Stud (Baton Rouge area) |
Im sure your dog has it... |
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