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HuntFishGrill
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm Posts: 93 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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 Buyers Remorse?
I'll admit right up front... I ain't got a ton of money. In fact I bought my boat from Chad over two years ago and it's been sitting brand new under a tarp ever since while I figure out how to get a motor. I'm about to be where I can go to the bank for motor money. All this time I've had my heart set on a 27hp PD, and now I'm starting to panic a little. I just get the sense that motor is just not fast enough or good in the really technical and nasty stuff. Am I crazy? I went out three days last week in a MB I've had plenty of stick time with and have been on tilt ever since. I mean I believe that PD is the better motor but My boat is a little on the small side. It measures 17'x48" but it's a closed bow (skiff) and it's really more like a 16 foot boat in size with short sides and transom. I feel like i know what the better product is, but I also don't want to go to the bank for 18 mph and a headache. Somebody chime in and help with this. I know threads get jacked plenty, but this really is the place to get good motor feedback and I gotta get my mind right ASAP.
_________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 1748 Geaux Custom Skiff
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:39 pm |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I don't really know what the question is. Take out a little more and put a 36 on it.
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:41 pm |
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take'emgator
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:38 pm Posts: 10201 Location: SETX
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I was gonna say the same
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:43 pm |
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Woodiebuster
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Get the transom built up to tall for 100$ or so buy a 36 PD, have a good rig and don't have regrets of too weak a motor.
The weight difference is minimal, plenty of people run a 36 on boats that size.
_________________ CSM Custom 18x42 Battleship with a 36 PD beating you to the hole My Rig (Old Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45193
(New Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54733 Stumps Fear Me
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:44 pm |
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HuntFishGrill
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm Posts: 93 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
i don't think i can put over 300lbs on the tail of it with a 36hp can i ?... i guess that's my question. going to the bank for $5500 or $7000 isn't really the issue(assuming i have to go to the bank for a new one). I just don't think the 27hp is enough grunt but the extra 100 lbs on the transom kinda bothers me not knowing how the boat will deal with that
_________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 1748 Geaux Custom Skiff
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:47 pm |
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Beadlejuicejr
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:11 pm Posts: 1435 Location: Bayou vista, Louisiana
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
If your 1748 can't hold a 36 you got a problem
_________________ stage 3 GTR screaming behind the 1848 Garrett Pearce special. GET YOU SOME!
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:52 pm |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Briggs 36 is 125 lbs, Kohler 27 is 105 lbs
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:52 pm |
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take'emgator
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:38 pm Posts: 10201 Location: SETX
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
You'll be surprised what a boat that size can handle, people run the same rig you have, get a 36 and go with it
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:52 pm |
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Woodiebuster
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
_________________ CSM Custom 18x42 Battleship with a 36 PD beating you to the hole My Rig (Old Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45193
(New Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54733 Stumps Fear Me
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:54 pm |
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duckduckboom
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
if you buy a 36 you will be done with it. My buddy runs a 32 pd on a 17 40 skiff and that thing rolls. you just might have to add weight to the front end
_________________ You have your whole life to be an idiot, take a day off!
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:54 pm |
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HuntFishGrill
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm Posts: 93 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
hmmmm.... for whatever reason i thought there was a 100lb difference in the two motors. KP confirmed the 36hp was 320lbs so i started letting my mind drift these past few days. and as i said, it's 17 feet but the front 2 feet are all point so it's really a smaller boat
_________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 1748 Geaux Custom Skiff
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:55 pm |
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dylana35
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:12 am Posts: 41 Location: franklin la
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
i run a 16ft weldbilt with a 32hp pd with no problems.i would imagine theres not much of a weight difference between a 32 and a 36.i have no problems with it
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:56 pm |
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HuntFishGrill
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm Posts: 93 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
_________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 1748 Geaux Custom Skiff
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:57 pm |
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Beadlejuicejr
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:11 pm Posts: 1435 Location: Bayou vista, Louisiana
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I had a 36 pd on a 1644. Didn't have any problems exept having to put gas tanks and icechest to the front
_________________ stage 3 GTR screaming behind the 1848 Garrett Pearce special. GET YOU SOME!
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:58 pm |
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Woodiebuster
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
There is more of that skiff in the water than the long raked bateau's people are running.
_________________ CSM Custom 18x42 Battleship with a 36 PD beating you to the hole My Rig (Old Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45193
(New Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54733 Stumps Fear Me
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:58 pm |
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dylana35
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:12 am Posts: 41 Location: franklin la
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
go with the 36 and quit stressing youll be happy
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:59 pm |
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duckduckboom
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
i think the advice is clear. get a 36
_________________ You have your whole life to be an idiot, take a day off!
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:59 pm |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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HuntFishGrill
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm Posts: 93 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
well it sounds like a 36 is the deal. how much should i consider making the transom tall? is that for the sake of the backwash on the boat or is the long shaft PD a better performer?
_________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 1748 Geaux Custom Skiff
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:04 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
For what little money it cost to do it, I would say go for it. Yes, mainly for backwash, also puts the tiller handle a little higher which is nice for driving while standing. Go to 19.5"
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:05 pm |
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Woodiebuster
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I don't believe there is an extra charge for a TT Pro-Drive anymore.
Go 19.679 when you build it up, not many people know it but you can break the 40mph mark with this height.
_________________ CSM Custom 18x42 Battleship with a 36 PD beating you to the hole My Rig (Old Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45193
(New Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54733 Stumps Fear Me
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:09 pm |
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TX Aggie '06
MMT Addict
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:32 pm Posts: 684 Location: Houston TX
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I had a 27 PD on my 1648 gator-trax. It was fine for me and my bro-in-law (he is a big boy) but if we ran 3 guys it was a slug. I know people that run 27 pd's on an 18 ft boat and have no problem.
I recently switched to a 35 Mb and it has transformed my 1648.
If it was me and i was sure i wanted a PD i would have the transom built up and get a 36 tall transom. May have to wait a bit longer for fundage but man it makes a WORLD of difference on the shorter boats.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:29 am |
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marsh mule
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:08 pm Posts: 663 Location: setx
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Don't get a motor without reverse!! I almost didn't get it and I would be kickin myself if I didn't...
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:44 am |
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DeathMetalDukk
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:50 pm Posts: 3777 Location: Knotts Island, North Carolina.
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Go with the 36. Definitely not too heavy, I'm running a 35GTR on my 16' boat.
_________________ Put yer face in the myrtles.
35 GTR chasing a 1650 Polarkrap.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:03 pm |
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duramaxdiesel09
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:47 pm Posts: 258 Location: Duck Hill & Starkville, MS
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
My buddy had a 36 on a short transom tin can War Eagle. It carried the motor fine.
Something to think about: The MB HD 35 Mini doesn't weigh but 245.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:50 pm |
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pooldoo73
MMT F.E.
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:47 pm Posts: 886 Location: Plaquemine
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I have a 36 on a 15x4. U have plenty boat to get the 36.
_________________ 18'x54"CC Hanko/ 36PD
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:19 pm |
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brasso
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Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Go as big as you can afford, that boat will handle it. We've got a 36 on a 16x48 and it handles it just fine. I've ran it up on levees plenty of times and never got a drop of backwash. You'll be kicking yourself in the azz later if you get something of smaller hp. You can never have enough with these mud motors
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:25 pm |
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crittergitter
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Joined: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:32 am Posts: 277 Location: Mineola, Tx
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
i have a 1652 lake sport with a 36 PD all i did was move fule to front of boat it runs great.
_________________ Supporting our Troops. United States Navy 13 yrs proud E-6 Petty Officer First Class Aircrew Survivial Equipmenman, Certified Land and Water Survival Instructor MTS, and EMT. 1650 Lake sport 36PD.
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duramaxdiesel09
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Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:47 pm Posts: 258 Location: Duck Hill & Starkville, MS
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I had a 1648 with a 27 Pro Drive once upon a time and it wouldn't plane a 2 person load going duck hunting. It would fly with just me in it, but once loaded down it was all over. Buy the biggest hp you can afford.
_________________ "Drop the Hammer" Excel 1651 F4 with a Mud Buddy HD7000 Excel 1860 F4 with a Mud Buddy HD5500
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DVR
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:03 pm Posts: 60
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
I've had several 36's. Twice I have purchased clean used 27's thinking I would be happy and save some money. It should be noted both were acquired from individuals who bought 36's. The first one I sold before the boat was even built. The second I made one S. La trip and ordered a new 36 from KP before I got through NO. I run 1848's and often hunt 3. No brainer on the tall transom and reverse. I think you will be fine if you run a light load with the 27. Running heavy the 36 is well worth the extra money.
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HuntFishGrill
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Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm Posts: 93 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Hey Guys thanks to you all. this thread is MMT at its best. I feel great about building up the transom and going 36hp, now. I have fretted long enough of going to the well for a motor i wouldn't be happy with performance-wise and this answered a bunch of those questions. It ain't like i want to break the sound barrier, I just want to tote three guys in the low-mid twenties and not worry about a damn thing else other than prop wear. Awesome help from the group JW
_________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 1748 Geaux Custom Skiff
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HuntFishGrill
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Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm Posts: 93 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
One more thing, I have search like crazy to find some threads with images on building up a transom, but can't find them anywhere. I see where there were suggested heights but I want to round up some good images so that my welder has something solid to go on. (don't really want to hack up my boat on a "hunch")
_________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 1748 Geaux Custom Skiff
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Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:44 pm |
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brasso
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Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Whats the side heigth?
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centxhunter
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Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:28 pm Posts: 357 Location: Austin, TX
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
What is the advantage of tall transom vs. short transom? Any performance advantage with short tail vs. long tail? Or just keeping water out of the boat?
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:44 am |
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brasso
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Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Buyers Remorse?
Reassurance of less to no backwash.
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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50fps
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:42 pm Posts: 2377 Location: West Coast Wisconsin
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:56 am |
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50fps
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:42 pm Posts: 2377 Location: West Coast Wisconsin
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:59 am |
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med
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:25 am Posts: 6432 Location: the dark side of the moon
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Thanks for posting Mitch. I saved the photos because ill probably be doing this to mine. Anything you would change?
_________________ 1850 & 36pd
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50fps
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willett
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:22 am Posts: 1764 Location: Tyler, TX
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 Buyers Remorse?
_________________ Pete Willett WC Custom Boats - Tyler, TX http://www.wccustomboats.com
WC Custom 2048 3/16 Bottom Center Console with 35 PD EFI GTR WC Custom 1840 Hybrid 3/16 Bottom with 37 EFI BOSS
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