Idacraw

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung ... _flood.htm

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... sil-record

http://www.creationproof.com/id24.html

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-decepti ... _evolution

http://x-evolutionist.com/the-fossil-re ... the-bible/

You're getting lazy ranger, I asked for you to explain not give a bunch of links to creationist websites.

Wow! we are now on page five.

Getting lazy?

It has been a long day. Had deer meat to cut up, and had two civilans show up that I am teaching to compete in long range tactical matches.

Sometimes cut and paste says it all.

Turd digger,

You have a pretty good idea of where I stand on religion and that I am obviously not a full fledged bible thumping christian. I do however believe that christian values and morals are a good thing to teach our children. I, for one, am glad that my parents brought me up in a somewhat christian atmosphere and whether or not I choose to worship, read the bible, say a prayer every night, etc, I think I am a better person for being brought up that way. It def helped me to see "the right way" if you will, and I think it has a lot to do with why I try to be honest about anything and everything possible even if there are consequences that I may not like for being that way and just being a "good person" in general (that is something that it took a long time to see, but once I was old enough to grasp it and understand, it's something that I do genuinely try to live with day in and day out). I dealt with a lot of hypocrites, and it got old listening to the same folks I was getting drunk with on Saturday night tell me how I needed to get baptized and devote my life to God on Sunday morning, but I do think the general guidelines are a pretty good way to carry yourself throughout life. I don't think children should be baptized as babies. I think that should be a decision that should be made when they are at a point in their lives they are capable of making that decision on their own, and I don't think it's something that should be shoved down their throats and looked down upon until they make their choice. I know there are people out there like that and I don't agree with it, but I have a hard time seeing it as such a bad thing the way you seem to. It's obvious that kids of today have no respect for anything, they run all over their parents, teachers, pretty much any authority figure. No more yes sir's and no mam's. I think that has a lot to do with the fact that people are loosing religion and just some kind of faith in general.

I guess what I'm getting at, is why do you think religion is such a bad thing? Fake or unbelievable as it may be, do you really think the true christian way of life is a bad thing? Not talking about the hypocrites and the large portion of "christians" with no moral fiber. Just talking about teaching children from the bible and to live your life in that manner. Whether you believe in all of it or not, do you really see it as a bad way to go through life? One could say that children can be taught similar morals without using scriptures and imaginary friends, but it is a much simpler breakdown for our youth and the further religion gets away from us the more things like homosexuality and just the general way of life for our youngsters nowadays seems to be acceptable. It also does not seem to be happening with the lack of religion being taught nowadays. To me, it seems the further we get away, the worse things seem to get. Like I said before, I am far from a bible thumper, but I do carry a lot of the things in the bible dear to me and I do believe that living your life by the good book is a good way to carry yourself. I was never up to the tasks, and eventually just got tired of being around people who claimed to live their lives one way when they weren't really doing much actually live that way, but I do try to live my life by a lot of the guidelines set fourth in the bible. Yes, I pick and choose, but I don't really try to push my beliefs, faith, or lack thereof on anyone else. Just in general, if someone is genuinely trying to live their lives like there may be something after death, what is the big problem with it? And what is the problem with trying to teach todays youngsters that that is a good way to go through life?

I consider myself more of a theist-agnostic. I don't do anything to practice religion, and I hardly live my life by scripture, but I do try to follow some of the basic guidelines. My father was never big in to church, I feel for many of the same reasons that I am not (though we have not talked much about it), but he did want us around it at least a little and def wanted those christian values instilled in us. He is one of the most generous, honest, and downright good people you will ever come across even though he doesn't "practice" any religion. In my mind, if there is a heaven, and someone like him doesn't get in, then I'm not sure I want to be there anyway. My Mom got pretty big into religion when I was late in my teens and has found a really good church with some downright "good christian people". She is definitely much happier living that lifestyle then she ever was before and has a huge network of people that would give her the shirt off their back and whom she would do the same for. Still not necessarily my style, but she's happy and I have no problem with it. Religion and the church has no doubt saved her second marriage when counseling from other sources was failing. She is the happiest she has ever been and I applaud the way she is living her life.

I know if I ever have children, which is something I'm kind of scared of nowadays, I would want them raised in at least as much of a christian atmosphere as I was growing up. I just don't see the bad in it. Since a lot of this thread has to do with "indoctrinating" children with religion, do you really see it as such a bad thing for kids to be brought up that way? I have no problem with teaching things like evolution and letting them make a decision about all that on their own, but I also don't really see the issue with trying to instill the good christian values and letting them learn some things about the bible and creationism in general at the same time. Let them make their own decisions, but let them be exposed to both. As mentioned several times in this thread, either way takes some kind of "faith". Hopefully at the very least they will turn out to take some from both sides of the fence and at least have some of the core christian values instilled in them to help carry themselves through life. If they decide to take Christianity in to their hearts and live their life by the bible, I see no problem with that at all. If they decide that it's all a big scam of smoke and mirrors or just are not really sure about any of it, what damage has been done?

Kind of long winded, but I'm curious to the how and why from you. You seem so angry and seem to have a genuine hate for religion. I don't want to be beaten over the head with it day in and day out, and def don't want to read about it on a mudmotor forum everyday, but I really don't see an issue with teaching this stuff to our youngsters, nor do I have any issue with someone who wants to live their life as if there is something "bigger" than all of us.

I have said several time that i really don't care what people believe in, whatever it takes to make you happy. However I think there is no place for it in our public schools, and I think it is wrong to teach it to kids before they are old enough to look at both sides of the argument and make an educated decision. what happens now is basically brainwashing, before they can even talk kids have creationism beat into their heads, they are taught that evolution is a lie, and taught to not trust science in general.

The thing that really pisses me off is that there are members of our government who are just as ignorant of science as ranger. One of the chairs of the board of science and technology made a public statement saying that evolution is lies from the devil and that the planet is only 9000 years old. This is a man who makes decisions that effect medical research, and other areas of research. Then you have the idiot who said that if a woman was really raped that her body would prevent pregnancy and there is never a need for abortion. When ignorance of this magnitude is in the highest levels of government and these people have the ability to write policy that affect everyone there is a problem.

Religion should stay where it belongs, in the home, in the church, and out of education and the government. And I really don't see why people need the bible to live a good life and do what is right, it is just as easy to teach kids the right way to live without telling them there is a god going to punish them if they don't behave. I may be coming off more angry on here than I really am, but I was just sick of ranger always with the bible truths without there being a counter point.

And just a matter of opinion, but I think that with everything that we now know today that religion is a bit dated and doesn't really have a place in modern society. Granted I have to believe that what we know is real and true just as ranger believes the bible is true, but there is so much overwhelming evidence that proves otherwise that it just seems ridiculous that people still cling so tight to religion. I really just can't fathom that people still believe that fossils are proof of the great flood, or that there ever was a great flood. In my opinion there is no fundamental difference between any of the world religions, and together they have killed so many people in the name of peace and love that it makes me sick.

“and I think it is wrong to teach it to kids before they are old enough to look at both sides of the argument and”

What a farce. If your local public school said they would teach both sides of the argument, the ACLU and libs would have lawyers crawling all over that school, and would shut it down. Humanism is the only religion allowed in out schools. Since its intro into our schools, we have dropped 25 places in world standings of math and science.




One of the chairs of the board of science and technology made a public statement saying that evolution is lies from the devil and that the planet is only 9000 years oldmake.

He makes that claim, with science behind him. Just like the links I sent you yesterday. It is based of science, using scientific methods. What you are speaking of with your evolution, is really a religion in itself. It is part of Humanism, and you have your own saints. You have Marx, Darwin, and from the things you write, it appears that Obama is one of those saints.

Then you have the idiot who said that if a woman was really raped that her body would prevent pregnancy and there is never a need for abortionision

Liberals took his words, twisted it, and then told lies. The fellow from Missouri believes abortion to be wrong, regardless of the reason for the pregnancy. He sited a study from a while back, that concluded that most women who are raped, do not become pregnant (due to the stress of the event). That study was proven false in that very few women who get raped end up pregnante, but it is not proven to be from the stress of the event itself. (the study was not backed up, but not necessarliy proven to be a lie like Piltdown man, Kansas man, Neanderthal man, and much of evolutionists fossil claims). Stats do show that it is a rare percentage of women who are raped that do get pregnant, and of those getting abortions, the ones getting it for rape are a minute percentage. Some of us believe life precious, and a baby in the womb to be life.


just seems ridiculous that people still cling so tight to religion

You sound like Obama here, when he showed his disdain for the people of rual Pennsylvania, who “cling to their guns and Bibles”. In typical socialist fashion, he will try to take both.


In my opinion there is no fundamental difference between any of the world religions, and together they have killed so many people in the name of peace and love that it makes me sick.

Your opinion is false, as there is a huge difference in religions of the world. There is a huge difference in the Religion spoke of in the first chapter of the book of James, where true and undefiled religion is taking care of the widows and the orphans. New Testament Christianity is based on Grace through faith, not works. One is about a relationship, the other is about control.
Yes, the Roman Catholic Government, and the false religion of Islam have killed in the millions. That being said, they do not hold a candle to your humanist socialist/atheist like Stalin, Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Castro, who have killed well over a hundred million in the name of communism/socialism.


Bible principles may make for a more productive life, a better citizen, and a better work ethic, but i know of a much better reason for being a Christian. Eternity is a very long time.

Idacraw's post -

"This is what I was talking about...

There is no science anywhere that shows the earth is only 6000-9000 years old, those dates were taken from the timeline in your book of fiction. Are you really that damn stupid? Apparently yes. There are civilizations that were recording their history 13000 years ago. This is a perfect example of why religion is a bad thing for this country, it makes people willingly stupid. Then idiots like ranger elect idiots that think like them to power and they use their ignorant views to make policies in this country based on superstition.

It is a damn sad day when grown people believe like this, and this is why our country lags behind in math, science, and medical research. Un-fucking-believable."



Just like a liberal. Lose the argument on facts, so you stand back, use foul language, call names, and spout lies. Mr Science and Knowledge quickly reverted to dropping F bombs, and name calling. Interesting.

When we instructed kids in public schools via the Bible, when they prayed, when prayers were given before football games, when prayers were given before a meal, when prayers were given before graduation...... When that was done, we were number tops in the world in math and science. It was not until we started with the evolution, got rid of the Bible and prayer that we started dropping. This is a fact that you can not deny. It was after teaching evolution that we dropped.

As far as medical science, is China, North Korea, and Cuba (all nations that shun Bible) beating us in medical research and engineering? Or are they copying us? Who has led the way in medical breakthroughs for the last 50 years? Who has the best medical system in the world? The Soviet Union demanded atheism, and they never compared to us in science, technology, engineering, medicine.... How is that?

I know medical doctors who are Bible believing Christians, I know Christian scientists, and Christian engineers. The pastor of my church has a PHD in electrical engineering.

When pushed into a corner, Idacraw's true colors show. He is a God hater with communist ideals, and just like our president, would love to take your guns and your Bibles.

I stated this before, and it is relevant again. The Christian School my daughters attend had the highest ACT scores in the state. They are know for their math and science programs, and the scholarships they win yearly from state schools is amazing. All the while, they teach creation. How can they excell in match and science, and not learn evolution. Explain that Idacraw?

When you study recorded history, it will only take you back around 6000 years.

If evolution took millions, and if humans have been around for tens of thousands of years, why did they not write any books back then? Why can we only trace humans history back to Mesopetamia

If you believe in evolution, are humans across the world at different levels of evolving? Are some humans more evolved than others? Are we still evolving?

If you really believe in evolution and survival of the fittest, then does your democrat's welfare, food stamps, Obama care...... sort of go against the grain of evolution. Would those programs punish the strong, reward the weak and stupid, allowing them to breed and de-evolve?

THE OLDEST PEOPLE

They do not go back before c. 3000 B.C., and were located in Mesopotamia.

The various radiodating techniques could be so inaccurate that mankind has only been on earth a few thousand years.

"Dates determined by radioactive decay may be off—not only by a few years, but by orders of magnitude . . Man, instead of having walked the earth for 3.6 million years, may have been around for only a few thousand."—*Robert Gannon, "How Old Is It?" Popular Science, November 1979, p. 81.

We have no records indicating human civilization going back beyond a few thousand years.

"Only six or seven thousand years ago . . civilization emerged, enabling us to build up a human world."—*Jonathan Schell, The Fate of the Earth (1982), p. 181.

There are no written records before about 3000 B.C.

"In the Old World, most of the critical steps in the farming revolution were taken between 1000 and 5000 B.C. . . Only for the last 5000 years has man left written records."—*Reader's Digest, the Last Two Million Years (1984), pp. 9, 29.

Almost as soon as there was civilization, there were towns and cities, and the oldest were in Mesopotamia.

"In most civilizations, urbanization began early. There is little doubt that this was the case for the oldest civilization and the earliest cities: those of ancient Mesopotamia."—*Robert M. Adam, "The Origin of Cities," Scientific American, Vol. 203, September 1960, p. 154.

The earliest king lists only go back to shortly before 3000 B.C.

"The Egyptian king lists go back to the First Dynasty of Egypt, and little before 3000 B.C. Before that, there were no written records anywhere."—*Colin Renfrew, Before Civilization (1983), p. 25.

John Lennox Clip- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjzzsoDe7I

John Lennox debate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4B1s454 ... re=related

John Carson Lennox is a mathematician and philosopher of science who is currently Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford. He is a Fellow in Mathematics and Philosophy of Science at Green Templeton College, Oxford University. He is also Pastoral Advisor of Green Templeton College and Fellow of Wycliffe Hall

How is it that this man can be so educated in math and science, and still be a Christian there Idacraw? How is it that some of the top atheist scientists will stand and debate with him?

I don't know what to call you ranger, typical republican would be an insult to everyone else on this site, you are something else entirely.

And you have yet to provide facts, and at this point I don't think you are smart enough to know what those are. As usual with your long winded ramblings your "facts" are wrong. The Sumarian civilization has a written record that is unbroken for 6000 years, not the 3000 you claim, and cuneiform tablets written by the Sumarian culture has been found as old as 13000.

Try again with your young earth bullshit, I will be waiting on facts, facts not found under church funding. Research that is repeatable, and testable, not more bullshit from your book.

Idacraw - Wrong again, I am not a Republican, and never have been registered to any party. I am a Christian conservative that believes in our constitution.

You get your opinion, but not your own truth.

only as far back as 5,000 to 6000 (4500 BC) years ago, the Sumerians are credited with inventing what is commonly believed to be the world's first writing system (preceding and inspiring Egyptian hieroglyphics).

You call me an idiot and degrade me. I am not a scientist, a chemist, or a medical doctor. I am a military man, and have been for 25 years. While I may not be a rocket scientist, I have made it to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, and started out a private. I have a Masters degree from the University of Georgia in education. In the military, I have graduated all manner of schools, from Ranger to Pathfinder, to the Command and General Staff College.

A good many Americans like me have looked at both sides of the evolution/creation argument, and came to the conclusion that creation makes more sense, is more logical, and we believe it. If the evolution side of the story was so set in stone, we sure do not see it. Once again, you can teach them side by side, and about half the population will stick with creation. You can argue big bang, fossil records, macro and micro evolution. As complex as life is, I just do not see it happening by chance. With all the modern day ability in the lab, scientist cannot make life, nor can they create a cell (I am sure you can twist something, and claim they can, but it is just bunk). We I add in the fulfilled prophecy concerning Jesus, where mankind is going now, and Israel, creation makes even more sence.

Try again Mr Potty mouth.

Not sure what your military record has to do with this, I guess you need a few more ata boys.

A good many Americans like you were brainwashed from an early age to reject science and blindly follow a book written by men to explain what they didn't understand. I have asked you repeatedly for your facts, and all you ever provide is scripture and quotes from people as misguided as you. You are wrong time after time, and as usual you are wrong again. Scientists have created life in the lab, not that you would believe it anyway as you are blind to anything that doesn't fit your narrow scope of understanding.

Your continued use of the "prophecies" fulfilled in the bible are just pathetic. Once again, they bible was written several hundred years after the "events" supposedly took place, must have been real hard to "predict" events AFTER they happened. That would be like me writing a book about the civil war and predicting the south would loose. There are so many facts that disprove the bible that it is completely ridiculous to still try and proclaim it is a book of truth. Take a person who was raised without the brainwashing of religion and let them research each side and see what they choose, There is no way that anyone who looks at the issue without bias would believe as you do, hell most christians don't even believe as you do, you young earth fanatics are a new flavor of crazy. PROVIDE SOME FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. And read something other than creationist websites, you may be surprised at what you learn.

Go read some message boards from outside our country on this topic, America is a laughing stock to the rest of the civilized world because of people like you. Simply refusing to see the writing on the wall doesn't make it go away. It is amazing that with all your education you still believe in fairy tales.

Now provide some fucking facts for your arguments, you keep telling me there are more facts and truths on your team, provide them or shut the fuck up. How's that for potty mouth sir?

My, my we are getting testy now.

Your speech gives you away more and more, and the more you write, the more Obamaish you sound, and the more the communism drips from your lips.

Your comment "Go read some message boards from outside our country on this topic, America is a laughing stock to the rest of the civilized world because of people like you"

Notice the Anti Americanism just oozing out. So tell me, are you hanging out with the French now? If we are such the laughing stock, and you so hate Christians, what are you still doing here? I am sure North Korea would love to have you.

So we are the laughing stock of the word? Hmmmm, I think it was the U.S that jumped into WWI and WWII, and helped keep democracy. I believe it was us that beat the Soviet Union in the cold war, bringing down the wall between east and West Germany, and breaking up the Soviet Union. I believe we liberated Kuwait. I believe our Christian churches send more charity worldwide, than all other nations combined. We do more to stop poverty, starvation, and prevent disease worldwide than any other nation.

You seem to really struggle with logic and critical thinking. You have no ability to answer these questions, and I ask them over and over.

How is it that we used to pray and teach creation in our schools, and were top in the world in math and science. We replaced it with evolution, and have continued to drop?

Why is it that the Soviet Union instructed atheism, evolution for five decades, and never came close to us in engineering, medicine, farming practices, and science in general....? They killed people like me. How is it that they had to try and steal secrets from us, instead of developing their own?

How is it that China does not allow creation to be instructed, and are also communist/atheist, and still lag behind us in medicine, electronic engineering, programming? They continue to steal our products and violate patent laws to reproduce what we invent.

How is it that we have close to 50% of our population still believe in creation, and we have now instructed students in our public schools in only evolution for forty some years? Only ten percent of the American population believes totally in evolution with no influence from God.

face it, you are a communist, you would just as soon that Obama send the troops house to house, and round up the Christians in re-education camps, burn the Bibles, outlaw guns, and all because you hate God, and just want to try to make him go away.

The Bible prophesied Jesus a thousand years before he was born. The books of the law were written in the days of Moses. Psalms and Proverbs were written in the days of David and Solomon. Jeremiah, Daniel, Isaiah all lived hundreds of years before Jesus was born, and the majority of the prophecies that came true concerning Israel were written by the prophet Ezekiel and Jeremiah (both born and lived B.C.).

The Gospels were written just following the resurrection of Jesus (by Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John). Paul was alive during the time of Jesus, and wrote his epistles right after the resurrection. His epistles were not written hundreds of years later.

You may hate me, and my kind, but I do not hate you. I love you, and those like you. A price was paid for your soul. Your disbelief will not make hell one degree cooler, and it is my prayer that you never find that out. I pray for you individually, and will continue to do so.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/21/ve ... index.html Keep it real.

As you can see, scientists have never created life. They admit it in the interview.

Here is the funny part. If these scientists with literally millions of dollars in equipment, top computers, and decades of trying, did create a cell, the evolutionist crowd would all scream for joy, claiming that evolution was now proven.

If the smartest scientists in the world, millions of dollars in equipment, and decades of work did create a living cell, would that not be intelligent design?

Put some water, rocks, mud, and other non living stuff in a beaker, put it on the shelf, and call me when a living cell appears. Then I will see some validity to your evolution.

Every time you post you show that you are as dumb as you are stupid.

Here is what our school curriculum would look like if people like you had your way...






STILL WAITING ON YOUR FACTS AND TRUTHS

Christopher Columbus (A Christian) proved the world to be round. Prior to teaching evolution in our schools, we knew it was round.

Louis Pasture (A Christian) is the father of modern vaccinations

John Adams to John Marshall (Christians) were some of the prominent legal folks that had a hand in shaping our legal system. Our system is not perfect, but is one of the most fair in the history of the world. You will notice that China, the Soviet union, Cuba, N Korea, are/were some of the worst systems in the history of the world, and these are all nations that do not allow teaching creation, and force evolution to be instructed.

As far as sex education is concerned. When we started teaching kids in the sixties that they came from a monkey, in a few short years, we had such things as Woodstock, the sexual revolution, and sky rocket in unwanted pregnancy, rape, STDs, homosexuality....... Biblically, Christians learn that sex is a good thing to be enjoyed by a man and his wife.

Your cartoon is a ball face lie, and you know it is. it is the typical lies libs tell on the Huffington Post.

All of the questions you have asked have been answered, even if you do not like the sources. I spoke about the difference in micro and macro evolution, the fossil record not showing evolution in layers, but having an explosion of life, then it all dying off, to include entire wales found on mountain tops. We discussed the fact that scientist have not created life, we have showng the lies evolutionists were found to be telling in various hoaxes and false claims. We discussed human civilizations only being dated back to around six thousand years.....

I am still waiting on the answers to my questions.

For the dude who is supposed to be Mr. Scientific, you seem to have been reduced to a foul mouth, cut and paste, cartoon user. What gives?

What gives? You have become a waste of time. You lack the ability to effectively argue your point, instead of evidence you provide links to creationists websites. I don't use atheist sites to make my point, I find credible sources, not biased opinion like you do. But you don't really have a choice since there is no REAL science to prove your claims. You don't even read the links you provide, you just read the headline and post it. You have nothing to show your claims are factual other than more bullshit from people like you.

The article you provided just goes to show that you are in over your head and grasping at straws. Yes the scientists in the article didn't create new life, but they weren't trying to, they accomplished exactly what they set out to do.

CNN: How big a deal is this?

Venter: It's for others to describe. It's a big deal for us. We've been working on it for 15 years. It gives us tools to work with that haven't existed before. And we have some huge challenges.
We need new tools in science. Allowing us, for example, new organisms that more efficiently can capture C02 and convert it into fuel so we can get weaned off of oil.
We can create new food substances. ... We can create new ways to create clean water. We are already going to create new vaccines to treat diseases that emerge each year like the flu, so it's a new tool for scientists to work with.

They weren't trying to discredit the bible, they were trying to create new tools to benefit mankind. That is what scientists do, these people were just trying to create a way to make food for those that are starving, they want to make better medicine to cure disease. You siting this article shows just how ignorant you really are, you saw the headline and started drooling thinking you had found a great point. Science doesn't exist to disprove your fiction. it exists to make life better for everyone and answer questions about where we come from and where we are going. The fact that science disproves your book just illustrates the difference between fiction and reality.

So I ask you again, provide some REAL evidence that supports your claims, evidence not found on creationist sites or from research funded by creationists. Find some current published research that supports your claims. And the cartoon was to illustrate how ridiculous your arguments are, and say what you will but if not for real scientists and intervention from "libs" that is what would be taught in our schools, that is your vision for education.

Here is another cartoon that illustrates your arguments, enjoy!

Idacraw- I am proud of you man, you wrote an entire post and kept it clean. I even prayed for you in church today.


Here is some of that interview -

CNN: Did you create new life?

Venter: We created a new cell. It's alive. But we didn't create life from scratch.

We created. as all life on this planet is. out of a living cell.


Basically, they manipulated a cell that already existed, and as he said, all life comes from a cell that was there before.

I am not trying to discredit these scientists, or short them of thier work. I am making the point that with all of the technology that they have, all of the computers, all of the years of research, they can not do what God did, and create life.



Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Once again. they weren't trying to create new life so I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not sure how you are trying to spin their successful research into proof of god.

In a previous post, I told you that scientist had not created life. You told me they had. I posted the interview from CNN (Not exaclty a pro conservative or Christian group).

This is your quote - "You are wrong time after time, and as usual you are wrong again. Scientists have created life in the lab, not that you would believe it anyway as you are blind to anything that doesn't fit your narrow scope of understanding"

once again, you were wrong.

Scientist have never created life, only God has. All living cells come from other living cells. Not only can scientist not create life, it has never just happened by chance - not in the lab, not in nature.

There are more than 2 scientists doing research at any given time, so again you using this particular research article make no sense. They were not trying to create new life, so saying that they didn't is just stupid. So I am still not seeing the point you were making by posting an article about scientists who accomplished exactly what they set out to do. This is why I said you were becoming a waste of time, you are providing no evidence to support your claims, nor are you providing evidence relative to the conversation. You are a lot like Obama, you say a lot without saying anything at all, dance around the questions asked and smile like a fool all the while.

Your quote "Scientists have created life in the lab"

This quote was false. I was right, you were wrong.

I think Google just let you down.

Oh, OK. I think I know why you are so confused here. Scientists aren't like god, the word scientist in this context does not include everyone who is doing science in the world. You seem to think that because the father, son, and holy ghost are all one and the same that the same principle applies to scientists. The scientists in the article you provided are not the same ones who were working to create life in a lab. Does that make more sense now, scientists are individual people, not all part of one being.

So just to clarify, the above scientists have nothing to do with the aforementioned scientists.

Your inability to think for yourself has let you down.

What came first? Chicken or the egg? Facts only! No bullshit!

KFC did

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So testy!

It was the egg. Recent work on the genome of the chicken reveals answers to the question. Long story short, the first chicken was the result of mating between 2 "chicken like" birds, that would have laid an egg containing the zygote of the first chicken as we know them today. So the first chicken came from an egg, laid by a chicken like ancestor.



However some species of dinosaurs also laid eggs, so the egg was around long before the chicken.

Where'd you go cb?

An interesting side note, while looking for a credible source I learned that the chicken we all know and love today was domesticated more than 7000 years ago, hmmmm!

Idacraw - you are playing word games, and hiding.

I am fully aware that the word "scientists" is not a blanket word that lumps them all together.

Once again, you made the quote "Scientists have created life in the lab"

That quote was false. What say you?



Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.





Matthew 23:37
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Idacraw - "You need to seriously consider reading a few books, maybe take a few courses on critical thinking. It’s obvious to me with just a regluar education, and those who do have a science background that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

You are like most libs I know, utterly ignorant of science and how it works. You attempt to use it like a club on those that believe in God, have an alternate view or dare to question your conclusions. The irony is that foundational principles of Science demand this type of argument, the constant questions, and conflict. Nothing is ever settled. The debate is never over. True science is the art of never ending exploration, and when properly applied, it is a beautiful thing.

When anyone tells me that somthing in science is settled, or the debate is over, or promises retaliation for a differing viewpoint, then it’s no longer about science, just ego’s and politics. Much like your statements, name calling, and deragatory comments."



Here is an awsome quote for you to chew on - "when science brushes up against political behemoths like man-made caused global warming, macro species mutational evolution, the genetics of homosexuality, or anytime money is involved, science gets thrown out the window, and real scientists won’t touch this stuff with a ten foot pole. Then we start to see the science of political consensus, and bullying tactics to make science say what it should not."

This is good shit

Ranger, quit rambling and provide some credible sources that support your young earth hypothesis.

And you can't keep changing your opinion of science to suit your point. Earlier you use the fact that science has changed its answers over time to show it flawed, now you say it is all part of the art of science and necessary and a beautiful thing. Which is it?

Idacraw - stop running.

you made the quote "Scientists have created life in the lab"

???

Interesting article

http://www.reviewevolution.com/press/pr ... ntists.php