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DirtNasty
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:55 am Posts: 221 Location: Bullard, TX
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 Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Been running pro drive for about a year now and just sold my rig. about to start new build and am pondering the idea of moving to gator tail. spoke with willet the other day and he said he thought the GT were better in the hard bottom. because of the angle of the drive. Which made me think of all the times my boat would be floating fine but the skeg on my pro drive was dragging bottom. keep in mind I had the manual trim and could only trim up so far but by that point had barely any prop in water, and didnt want to eat the prop up. So with that I am considering making a change. BUT I have grown used to the confidence in the gear drive system. Always been afraid of belt drives. Also learned that the GT is about 100 lbs lighter which is a big deal considering I like to get in the skinny shit. and running these east Texas stumps, the less draft the better. But is the GT lower unit as tough as the PD?? Undecided?? Some of you more experienced guys chime in here and Give me some EXPERT advice
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:29 am |
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CJB
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:46 am Posts: 5216 Location: Across the Bayou, LA
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
You can always cut the skeg down on the PD, or just get an airboat.
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:41 am |
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tchauvin
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:23 pm Posts: 4898 Location: Bourg LA
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Step away from the Koolaid!!!! Dont be afraid of a belt though,,,that lill engine aint got enough powa to break dat...
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:47 am |
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brasso
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:12 am |
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whistlingwings
MMT Addict
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:07 am Posts: 676 Location: Stuck in the marsh, LA
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
First off, I wouldn't worry about the GTR belts. They are tough as chit, I am on my original belt. The GTR LU's are tough. I busted my prop shaft last year, but I also towed in several PDs and outboards with shredded gears or busted LUs. I have seen less failures in the GTRs vs the PDs drive units. I think that can be attributed to the fact that the belt will absorb shock better than gears. I also prefer the GTR in hard shallow bottoms, although if you really want the best in hard bottoms, LTs are the way to go. Also let me add that when I broke my prop shaft last year, I was beating the hell out of it all day everyday. AND, my skeg was worn about an inch or so, therefore my prop did not have protection against strikes.
_________________ 1854 Sportsman's Fab 2046 Uncle-J Skiff 35 GTR
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:26 am |
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DirtNasty
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:55 am Posts: 221 Location: Bullard, TX
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
This is good info... keep it coming. I have busted the shit outta some stumps with prodrive and all I have done was broke the prop. Buuut every time i smash one I would look back thinking my transon was ripped off. They way the thing is balanced the lower unit takes a hell of a beating. I'm not too concerned with the belt itself just the shaft housing on the GT. It just looks weaker to me. But I like the points you guys have made.
And Im not running a longtail on a 19'x54" lol I'm building a center console so I can get away from the tiller.
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:40 am |
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whistlingwings
MMT Addict
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:07 am Posts: 676 Location: Stuck in the marsh, LA
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 1854 Sportsman's Fab 2046 Uncle-J Skiff 35 GTR
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:45 am |
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55@28
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:01 pm Posts: 238 Location: Eagle River, Alaska
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Godevil...just sayin 
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:46 am |
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tchredneck
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:39 pm Posts: 1812 Location: in the woods,la
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
if shallow hardbottom area use a longtail or a balanced motor.
or if you want to be really cool get a jet boat
_________________ 27 Contender twin 200's for sale 18x42 B.B skiff Lil daddy 36 pd Fighting da Koolaid brigade since 07'
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:54 pm |
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brasso
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Hes getting a center console which automatically rules out a balanced motor
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:42 pm |
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JIMMY W
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:02 pm Posts: 4534 Location: South Louisiana
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
copperhead 
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Hoyt Mods and some other goodies
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:00 pm |
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da go get'er
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:30 am Posts: 3406 Location: Prairieville
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 17*38 Klibert 23GDLT I toast to staying positive and testing negative!
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:11 pm |
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brasso
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:12 am |
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brasso
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:12 am |
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DirtNasty
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:55 am Posts: 221 Location: Bullard, TX
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
are yall referring to a GT when you say balanced motor? and brasso how does the center console rule one out??
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:30 am |
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CCC
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:25 am Posts: 1685
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
If you have a center console your gunna have a motor with trim
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:42 am |
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DirtNasty
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:55 am Posts: 221 Location: Bullard, TX
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
ya I know I guess by balanced motor they mean a go devil sd. I have only seen one in person and didnt recall seeing a trim unit. But I know you could lift it with one finger. But I think I'm leaning towards gatortail now. Just wish I could find a used one so I could afford to do some mods. Does Gatortail do mods from the factory?
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:57 am |
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brasso
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:04 am |
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DirtNasty
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:55 am Posts: 221 Location: Bullard, TX
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
waiting to here back from him.
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:15 am |
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OwenDickeson
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:45 pm Posts: 9869
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
You should take one for a spin first in the area you run and see how it does.
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:54 am |
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tchredneck
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:39 pm Posts: 1812 Location: in the woods,la
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 27 Contender twin 200's for sale 18x42 B.B skiff Lil daddy 36 pd Fighting da Koolaid brigade since 07'
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:41 pm |
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brasso
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Ive ran both, and both get stuck in shallows with a hard bottom if you dont have momentum. Sand, doesnt matter if you have momentum or not, its all gonna stop.
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:59 pm |
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da go get'er
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:30 am Posts: 3406 Location: Prairieville
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
_________________ 17*38 Klibert 23GDLT I toast to staying positive and testing negative!
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:58 pm |
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mallardmassacre
MMT Member
Joined: Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:25 pm Posts: 8 Location: Wisconsin
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Go devil SD
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tylerduckman
MMT F.E.
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:40 pm Posts: 844 Location: Tyler TX
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
I know what you are saying about the skeg dragging bottom. I run PD and I believe we run the same areas. With the GT being lighter and the decreased angle of the lower unit it would probably be more efficient. 100 lbs is a lot of weight difference considering it is hanging off the back of the boat.
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:37 pm |
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RioRaton
MMT Member
Joined: Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:49 pm Posts: 29 Location: Silsbee,TX... Joaquin, TX... Eagle Rock, MO.
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Don't ever be afraid of a belt drive. I've had chain, shaft, and belt driven motorcycles and I've got a gator tail that I've brought through the worst stuff I could find in every situation and I'll take the belt an day!
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:42 pm |
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brasso
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 am Posts: 5557
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Youve gotta remember a belt has give in it... its a gigantic rubber band, which absorbs some of the hit and puts less stress on your drive.
_________________ 1850 Uncle J Delta Performance level 4 GTR
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:05 pm |
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Duck Rogers
MMT Member
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:13 pm Posts: 29
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
The PD manual trim has left a bad taste in your mouth as it should have, it sucks. The hydr trim is a night and day difference with more stroke or actual upward trim that will keep the skeg from dragging all the time. With a hard bottom and on step you just trim it up just to where it stops bouncing and drop the hammer on it. It will also get you out a hard bottom situation better in reverse trimmed all the way up than the Gtr. But with that said if the area I hunted was all hard bottom than the Gt is the right way to go and they are tough just make sure you check the L/ U upper knee brace bolt from time to time to make sure it's tight. That's the only thing that I have seen to put a hurtin on the L/U drive tube. Best thing IMO is like mentioned above and that is get someone with a GTR but also with some tiller time and ride with them in your area. Your not going to be able to switch brands and drive it like a boss first time out! There's a learning curve that goes with em.
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:41 pm |
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CAJUN OUTLAW
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:37 pm Posts: 2577
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 Re: Best motor For hard sandy bottom, and stumps?? * READ*
Nothing will do better on a hard shallow bottom than a longtail. Seen one niggerrigged with an old paragon 1 to 1 clutch behind it. This heavy clutch on the back made it a "weighted back" design. It was rigged with pulleys and cables on a cathead style steering wheel. It didnt go very fast but the old man was never in a hurry anyway. Was on a wide 18 foot flatboat and rigged for floundering. We welded an extra skeg on it and u could idle around in water a lil More than ankle deep, over solid sand bottom all night long.same prop On it 2 yrs for sure.......prolly couldnt get it off that rustbucket with a Fukkin torch anyway.lol.
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