The Supreme Court is not going to define marriage in the present case. Can you imagine the backlash from the side that "loses" in court? There would be marches to washington from the gays/lez or religous right. Its a lose/lose proposition. The Supreme Court rarely takes a stance on those issues. They took a stance on abortion, and look what that got them. It sure didn't settle the issue, instead it inflamed it. Theres more abortion/ anti abortion rhetoric now than before row v. wade.

So to wrap it all up, Supreme Court will puss out and NOT rule on the merits, only some procedural finding. Guy's who like hairy dicks and/or man hole are retarded and lesbianism is perfectly fine if they're hot! 2 examples:

I read war and peace one summer....its a good book too..... for this discussion, your bible shouldn't matter, its the constitution that should br quoted...such as we are all created equal and we have freedom liberty and justice..... I will not be ruled by someones interpretation of a religious book. You should cherish your faith but not force your doctrine upon others. We have a constitution that states the government will not push a state religion, which you are doing. Yes some of our laws are based on judaochristian laws, but we are not ruled by the christian bible. Should satanist be allowed to marry, or those of no faith? What does the bible say of those that don't believe? Are they wicked? You should walk in the light of the lord but not dictate to me how to live. Gay marriage has occurred in certain states ..... how has that effected your life? Marriage is a piece of paper dished out by a secular government. Marriage dosent have to be before god obviously since non believers are married by a judge or some other non christian person empowered by the state, not the church....does your bible allow for other religions to coexist? How many people have been murdered in the name of the christian god? The earth is billions of years old, why did god wait until just a couple thousand years ago to start talking to people and showing his might? What did people do before the concept of god was created? I know they worshipped nature. Why did the christians of the time persecute the scientist who were bringing fourth the truth of the world going as far as executing them for the truth they spoke like the earth is round and revolves around the sun? Oh, you'll say they were christians but not biblical christians....... it is funny how many abominations were and are committed in the name of christian faith. But those aren't real christians are they..... I see it now, you have so much insight that you are 100% correct on your interpretations of the bible than all those other so called christians.... seems christians need to purge themselves of all the so called christians like myself. That would most likely subject christianity to being nothing more than a cult with the amount of people who would be purged.... at least god is forgiving and allows the most immoral to be saved in their final moments....all those child killing pedophiles on death row im sure accept jesus as their savior as they are being strapped down. That to me is an immoral act. Accepting christ before being executed by mans laws.... should man execute people or let gods laws play out? Who is man to play god and take the life of another man for any reason except self defense, and then is killing justified in the eyes of the lord? I guess if your killing a non believer its ok....

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Is anybody else over this thread?

Im done..... gonna fire up a joint rolled in bible rice paper and send my prayers to god in the smoke that arises...... jesus didn't say nothing about weed being immoral......

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That's a shame..
I was smoking a big reefer once, about 6 or 7 of us....somebody asked the one that rolled it up, where he found the big papers like that....he said bible page.
Being the good christian that I am....I got my bag out and rolled me one with my zig-zags and smoked it by myself.
I was always a good guy, even when I was bad.

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I am over this thread. LOL ok, maybe not.

Any argument for something has to reach the secular, legal, common sense argument. Not the Biblical argument. I love the Bible. I am a person of faith. But the Biblical argument will fall on deaf ears concerning the left. They do not believe in it. One thing I do not want, is to be forced to have to do business with gays concerning a church situation--my business would be part of it. We should have the right to refuse service to anyone, period. Even though in 99.9% of the cases it would be dumb to do so.

The statistics being posted are good if they are 100% true. I wish there would have been hyper links to them however.

Not sure who said it. But leave marriage to the churches. I think It is time that we actually have legal paper work when we form a contract with others. Like a pre nuptial. What is expected. What happens if there is a split up. And it is not about sex but about creating a union for insurance, who gets the 401K and SS, all that other stuff.

Obviously I am not a lawyer, but we also need to have good legal paperwork for when we die. My dad died and we are still dealing with it after 6 years on varying levels concerning my mom.

Ranger. Just out of interest I looked up statistics nz and in a nut shell there are 1.9 million couples married put in a civil union and about 1200 same sex in a civil union.
The same sex part aside what it does allow is couples who aren't religious in any way to have a legally reconised partnership and a security for their children.

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Do I really have to go and quote jefferson?...he wrote the constitution..... when I get some time ill pm you with some quotes or if you'd rather post here...

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i am not in school and im not debating.....i always thought the debate club was a bunch of queers......all im doing is discussing the matter at hand....my rambles are just me responding off cuff without google searching all my resources and such from my phone if you dont want to answer all the questions ive posed in those rambles or continue to quote the bible as the law in which we should judge all, fine do so......i do not believe in redefining marriage at all but i do believe the there needs to be a legal recognition of domestic partnerships. If this country were to be controlled by the religious right, and i say it that way because not all on the right are as fervant about their beliefs than others and accept that to live in a free society one must allow for differences in belief that are free and just for all. We would a theocracy resembling nations like iran.

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Hmmmm.seems when I got married there was a clear distinction between the religious ceremony and the legal side......I don't care for queer people, I really don't like the ones I know. But I recognize the fact that they exist and are part of this society whether recognized or not.

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We already recognize marriage between man and woman who are into sodomy, bestiality, rape, swinging etc.

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Would y'all let these two guys marry??? They certainly wouldn't molest a child.

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I read through this whole 6 pages this morning and Rangerp i like you and your way of thinking.

Voodoo i will comment on the last comment you made. With the civil unions comes a ton of other rights and if we (America) gives a inch they will run with it and take a mile. I dont want to open another can of worms but i'm 100% behind Rangerp and his believes and thought process. If men decided oh its ok, here and there its just going to infest all of America and we as good old christian country folk will be pushed down to the point of disgust.

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I would bet your dad and grandfather are proud of how they raised you.

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you are a bad man. That picture made me throw up my oatmeal when I saw it.

by the way Ranger, I have not accused you of being gay or said anything against you. When people do that sort of thing, it only shows their ignorance.

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Here is another argument against “civil unions”, and why we need to nationally recognize marriage as only a union between one man and one woman.

The 14th amendment of the Constitution states that "no state shall deny equal protection under the laws." This means heterosexuals and everyone else are supposed to be treated equally

That means if a gay man wants to get married, then by all means, he can find a willing woman will marry him. Marriage being the union between a man and a woman

The Supreme Court case, Loving vs. Virginia, states that "MARRIAGE" is a "civil right." This case was referring to interracial marriage in the 60s. But there is a direct and obvious parallel.

By allowing “civil unions” to be the alternate to gay marriage (which is what they want initially) will set us up for marriage for gays later on. Civil unions only create a second class form of married people, but in a legal sense .

The Supreme Court case, Brown vs. Board of Education showed that separate is not equal. Civil unions are separate and therefore unequal.

Allowing “civil unions” to be a de facto marriage is just leading to “gay marriage”, which would lead to the Supreme Court deciding a separate and unequal standard.

Define marriage to be the union between a man and a woman, and leave it there. Recognizing any other union does not pave a way for equality, but paves the way to allow destructive homosexual to have a legal “gay marriage”

Homosexually destroys families and nations. Because you side with the values of MTV does not change facts.

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He wont be by himself i'll stand with him as will most if not all people raised in his mind set.

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