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marshmonkey
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Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:17 pm Posts: 32
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 Heads and Cam
How much life, if any, will heads and a cam take away from a motor (35)?
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:58 pm |
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JD145
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:01 pm Posts: 1289 Location: SWGA
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 Re: Heads and Cam
Not enough to be concerned with for the performance gained
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:04 pm |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Heads and Cam
For every .001 lift you add, you lose an hour of life.
For every .001 duration you add, you lose two hours of life.
For every .001 you take off the heads, you lose 5 hours of life.
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:12 pm |
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wade_660
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Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:56 pm Posts: 523
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 Re: Heads and Cam
For real? ^^^
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:17 pm |
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HOTSAUCE170
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:44 am Posts: 1685 Location: Lake Blackshear,GA
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 Re: Heads and Cam
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:39 pm |
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Russ
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Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 pm Posts: 4820 Location: West Monroe, LA
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 Re: Heads and Cam
It's highly dependant on what kind of oil you use.
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:48 pm |
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BassmasterCia
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Joined: Sat May 10, 2014 5:50 pm Posts: 660 Location: Arkansas
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 Re: Heads and Cam
Cb always has the answer haha
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:52 pm |
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msm8281
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Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:50 pm Posts: 9673 Location: New Iberia, La.
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 Re: Heads and Cam
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:55 pm |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Heads and Cam
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:01 pm |
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msm8281
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Joined: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:50 pm Posts: 9673 Location: New Iberia, La.
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 Re: Heads and Cam
I figured I was. I just felt like blurting something out.  :D
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Heads and Cam
Oh, you were right in that post. I just figured that was an open invite. I'm sure you were wrong about something today..
Seriously, the simple answer is, there is no answer..
However, most would agree, on this particular engine, as long as you don't go with an extremely aggressive cam, and aggressive decking, the longevity of the engine is more likely to increase than it is to decrease... Properly sealing valves and a cam built to perform better in the desired rpm range is only going to help things...
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:11 pm |
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BlueShamu
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:13 pm Posts: 5605 Location: D'town, LA
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 Heads and Cam
This is something i have given a lot of thought to, also. I spent the last three years developing an equation. I have ran it against many real life examples and it has been pretty accurate. The Shaft Constant was the hardest thing to come up with because the horizontals were failing at various intervals dependent upon the builder and the cam. But, I was able to interpolate and extract the constants into this formula:
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:17 pm |
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SpecialK
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Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:04 pm Posts: 249
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 Re: Heads and Cam
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:24 pm |
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SETx Longtail
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Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:53 pm Posts: 3480 Location: Hardin County, Tx
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 Re: Heads and Cam
I just put some numbers through Blue's equation there.... Friggin spot on!!!!
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:33 pm |
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BlueShamu
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Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:13 pm Posts: 5605 Location: D'town, LA
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 Heads and Cam
As you can see, the higher shaft constant for the horizontals creates a linear ratio with a higher denominator...therefore, this gives a shorter life cycle with all the other remaining constants.....even with the varying K factor of the oil.
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Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:01 pm |
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BassmasterCia
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Joined: Sat May 10, 2014 5:50 pm Posts: 660 Location: Arkansas
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 Re: Heads and Cam
Makes sense. The verticals gotta have something going for them. It surely isnt speed. Haha sorry blu, had to
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T-Bubba
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Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:43 pm Posts: 3958 Location: Centerville, La
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 Re: Heads and Cam
Considering these motors suck ass in stock form, modding them is like waiting for a bomb to explode
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JD145
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Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:01 pm Posts: 1289 Location: SWGA
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 Re: Heads and Cam
If its a time bomb either way, might as well have a better time bomb
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Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:27 am |
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mudxxed
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Joined: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:46 pm Posts: 1398 Location: SE Bama
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 Re: Heads and Cam
Lol ^
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HOTSAUCE170
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Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:44 am Posts: 1685 Location: Lake Blackshear,GA
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 Re: Heads and Cam
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Westwoodse
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Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:20 am Posts: 39 Location: lockhart, Tx
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 Re: Heads and Cam
Well, a buddy that I run with has put over 300 hours on his 45 mag. Stock crank, billet rods and Pistons. He had a rocker boss pull out of a stock head at around 200 hours. He swapped to iron mountain heads (we have decided that these are not the heads to go with) and has put over 100 hours on them. 3 out of 4 valves burned " boat still running 28 mph" but we cut the valves and seats at 4 angles to help heat dissipation and did some port work on heads and intake. Over 300 hours of load hauling and mud bogging and those were the engine repairs done so far. Can't say I don't expect head problems. Briggs heads are not tough at all. Just how it goes when you mod. My motor has chronic pan gasket leak, but I have 186 hours on it and have faith in the old prodrive. It's all about catching problems early and maintaining well. Keep your bolts tight, rockers adjusted, valves in good shape and oil changed.
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1chance
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Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:10 pm Posts: 55 Location: Kentucky lake-big bear highway
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 Re: Heads and Cam
My experience is more with ford small blocks and 2 strokes, but generally engines have 3 enemies heat, friction and operator. Mods just make it more efficient (but generate more heat), jetting and oil cooling help keep it cool and a loose nut on the end of the handle tries to tear the whole darn thing apart. I would be willing to bet if you could increase oil flow and capacity, it would act like a liquid cooled system.
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tchauvin
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Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:23 pm Posts: 4898 Location: Bourg LA
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 Re: Heads and Cam
If it hurt reliability at all,,,you would see it magnified x'10 on this forum. If shit breaks,,,they run here and testify...
You don't see it much anymore. Most of the parts have been proven reliable.
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