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Joe M
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Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:24 pm Posts: 1025 Location: Tyler, TX
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 2 in 2 out muffler
Would a 2 in 2 out car muffler work for one of our motors. It looks like that is what the EVT muffler is. My exhaust now is free flowing and alot of harley pipes are straight out. Should I have something with some back pressure.
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:17 pm |
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Gigafowl
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:19 pm Posts: 6441 Location: Trinity Bay - Texas
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 Re: 2 in 2 out muffler
Not an answer to your question - but - a "good read" on the subject of backpressure....
pasted.............
Some say that "an engine needs backpressure to work correctly." Is this true?
No. It would be more correct to say, "a perfectly stock engine that cannot adjust its fuel delivery needs backpressure to work correctly." This idea is a myth. As with all myths, however, there is a hint of fact with this one. Particularly, some people equate backpressure with torque, and others fear that too little backpressure will lead to valve burning.
The first reason why people say "backpressure is good" is because they believe that increased backpressure by itself will increase torque, particularly with a stock exhaust manifold. Granted, some stock manifolds act somewhat like performance headers at low RPM, but these manifolds will exhibit poor performance at higher RPM. This, however does not automatically lead to the conclusion that backpressure produces more torque. The increase in torque is not due to backpressure, but to the effects of changes in fuel/air mixture, which will be described in more detail below.
The other reason why people say "backpressure is good" is because they hear that cars (or motorcycles) that have had performance exhaust work done to them would then go on to burn exhaust valves. Now, it is true that such valve burning has occurred as a result of the exhaust mods, but it isn't due merely to a lack of backpressure.
The internal combustion engine is a complex, dynamic collection of different systems working together to convert the stored power in gasoline into mechanical energy to push a car down the road. Anytime one of these systems are modified, that mod will also indirectly affect the other systems, as well.
Now, valve burning occurs as a result of a very lean-burning engine. In order to achieve a theoretical optimal combustion, an engine needs 14.7 parts of oxygen by mass to 1 part of gasoline (again, by mass). This is referred to as a stochiometric (chemically correct) mixture, and is commonly referred to as a 14.7:1 mix. If an engine burns with less oxygen present (13:1, 12:1, etc...), it is said to run rich. Conversely, if the engine runs with more oxygen present (16:1, 17:1, etc...), it is said to run lean. Today's engines are designed to run at 14.7:1 for normally cruising, with rich mixtures on acceleration or warm-up, and lean mixtures while decelerating.
Getting back to the discussion, the reason that exhaust valves burn is because the engine is burning lean. Normal engines will tolerate lean burning for a little bit, but not for sustained periods of time. The reason why the engine is burning lean to begin with is that the reduction in backpressure is causing more air to be drawn into the combustion chamber than before. Earlier cars (and motorcycles) with carburetion often could not adjust because of the way that backpressure caused air to flow backwards through the carburetor after the air already got loaded down with fuel, and caused the air to receive a second load of fuel. While a bad design, it was nonetheless used in a lot of vehicles. Once these vehicles received performance mods that reduced backpressure, they no longer had that double-loading effect, and then tended to burn valves because of the resulting over-lean condition. This, incidentally, also provides a basis for the "torque increase" seen if backpressure is maintained. As the fuel/air mixture becomes leaner, the resultant combustion will produce progressively less and less of the force needed to produce torque.
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:28 pm |
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autogateman
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Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:32 pm Posts: 4036 Location: Gonzales La
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 Re: 2 in 2 out muffler
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:41 pm |
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Joe M
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Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:24 pm Posts: 1025 Location: Tyler, TX
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 Re: 2 in 2 out muffler
huh? 
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:56 pm |
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kibb
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:58 pm Posts: 2731 Location: Lafayette, LA
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 Re: 2 in 2 out muffler
Don't worry. I'm sure its cut and paste.
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:06 pm |
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Gigafowl
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:19 pm Posts: 6441 Location: Trinity Bay - Texas
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 Re: 2 in 2 out muffler
Yeah it says "pasted" to give credit to the original writer of the article...
The point is that opening up the exhaust "might" lead to a lean fuel mix problem and you "might" need to richen your mix to keep the engine healthy long term...
A lean engine runs great right up until it don't run at all...
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:14 pm |
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craig
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:53 pm Posts: 7515 Location: Chauvin
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 Re: 2 in 2 out muffler
You dont have anything to worry about with these motors man....put whatever exhaust (if any) you want on it!!!
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:54 pm |
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Joe M
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Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:24 pm Posts: 1025 Location: Tyler, TX
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 Re: 2 in 2 out muffler
I figure that a car muffler should quiet it down without being overly restrictive. I'm not a mechanic though. It would be WAY cheaper than a name brand setup also.
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Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:43 pm |
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