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dguidry
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 Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Well, picked up my new performance heads today. A question: do the new head gaskets require adhesive or sealant, or do they install dry? Do I use locktite on the head bolts? Anyone know what the numbers and symbols on the valves mean?
Heres a pic;
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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autogateman
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Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:32 pm Posts: 4036 Location: Gonzales La
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Those symbols are the briggs logo
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muddiejeep
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:24 pm Posts: 761 Location: New Orleans, LA.
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
I=intake E=exhaust
dry and torque to specs, I prefer to snug up first, then go in a cris cross pattern to tighten up. locktite on head bolts won't be a bad idea.
_________________ When in doubt, throttle out. 18x60 prodrive w/36 prodrive
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
I use a "copper spray a gasket" on the gaskets. Loctite on the bolts is fine. I would not use red though. Probably blue.
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:24 pm |
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dguidry
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing NPew Heads Today! Suggestions.
Heads are bolted to cylinders. Specs posted here say torque head bolts to 340 foot lbs? My torque wrench only goes to 150? Should I just tighten the mothers as hard as I feel comfortable or what?
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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caddobrook
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Think you have inch pounds and foot pounds mixed up.
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cb5331
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Go for it!!!! Tell us what happens!
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:45 pm |
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dguidry
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Ok, YOU ASSES! Just realized the specs were in "in lbs"!!!! So y'all were just waiting for me to post the eminent catastrophe, weren't y'all?
So just how many foot lbs is 340 in lbs?
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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Pooh Bear
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Divide 340 by 12 and you will get your answer.
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Buddman
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
you should probably get a inch pound torque wrench before tearing something up. they cost a little more than the ft pound wrench but a lot cheaper than trying to put 340 ft pounds on them bolts.
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:30 pm |
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Josh
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lefty loosie, riighty tighty...
and don't forget to buckle your helmet...
_________________ Sometimes it's best to just keep your fingers quiet...
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med
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
rent a wrench at AZ or Oriellys
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Fowltalker
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Is that head on a silver platter? 
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garrettpearce
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yall must not get it, he has to be posting shit like this to make ya'll talk. noone can really ask if he should put locktite on a head bolt or silicone on a head gasket. WOW!!!!!!
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:01 pm |
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med
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_________________ 1850 & 36pd
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dguidry
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
340 in lbs = 28.333 ft lbs.
My head bolts are just right they ain't ever coming off again without striping bolt heads. No locktite and no antiseize. I don't know who to trust anymore except a few. So if your intent is evil payback will be a sob for you.
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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Woodiebuster
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Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Never seize would have been a wise move.
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(New Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54733 Stumps Fear Me
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dguidry
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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JBREAUX
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Woodiebuster
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Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
So they "never seize" and they are way easier to break loose if you need to take it apart for whatever reason.
_________________ CSM Custom 18x42 Battleship with a 36 PD beating you to the hole My Rig (Old Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45193
(New Motor) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54733 Stumps Fear Me
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JBREAUX
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
ahh
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dguidry
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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dguidry
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Things are coming along nicely. Done for the evening. Should be finished tomorrow.
Rods New sparkplugs Throttle assembly skirting Cowling Muffler Fill crankcase and transmission with oil, grease prop shaft. Set valve lash crank her up
The big unknowns: rigging throttle without governor and Carb adjustment.
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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cb5331
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OwenDickeson
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Did you pick up a rev limiter?
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BROOKS
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Once again .... I learnt sumthin' !!!! Not that I'll ever use it in a real life application ... I ain't much of a mechanic ..... Dguidry ..... keep goin' I'm enjoyin' this. Who'ed thunk it ...... ft. lbs. vrs in. lbs. !!! 
_________________ Git a Gator-Tail or ride in mines wake ...... MtrFact !!!!! '05 Model .... Still Number One on the Water !!!!
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dguidry
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_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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dguidry
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Early this morning I installed intakes, skirting, throttle assembly, cowling, fuel pump, electrical grounds. Thank god for the iphone camera and the photos I took of the dis-assembly!!! Tonight I'll install the flywheel guard and pull rope.
Need some help: Since the governor is no longer in the picture I'm gonna have to rig up a spring mechanism to bypass it to bring back the throttle to idle. Anyone care to conjure up a solution. I'm just not seeing how I'm gonna use the idle arm assembly in a way to spring back the throttle because is attaches to the vertical governor rod which pivots. Maybe I could somehow jam the pivot rod so it won't move so that I can attache a spring to it to pull back the throttle. Without a visual its hard to tell what I'm asking. I'll try to post something in a minute or two for a reference.
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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dguidry
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
TTT pics posted
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:43 am |
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dguidry
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_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:56 am |
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dguidry
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Any suggestions on the throttle assembly would be appreciated.
_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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slingshot
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
After you tourqe them boltz you should have went back and tapped them with a ball pean hammer and then retourqe again dude.
_________________ 1542 stuck to a 27mini. She gone. 1746 with a modded 35 gdsd Capt Team total asalt
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dguidry
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_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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Team Camo
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
Go to auto parts store & pic up some misc carb springs. They will have a multi pack on their "Help" isle. Hook 1 end to the same tab that the spring is hooked to right below your thumb in the 2nd pic. Hook the other end to the vertical tab that's just above the crankcase bolt on the top right in the 1st pic. If you route it on the outside (away from the motor) of the govenor rod, it should act as a return. If not you get the idea, just relocate it until it does.
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JBREAUX
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dguidry
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_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:43 pm |
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dguidry
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_________________ Formerly:1648 Homemade Cypress Crawfish Skiff GTR23 Performance Cam and Heads; 17x46 Gator Tail with 35GTR and Hoyt's cam;s Currently: 17x48 Gator Tail with XD40 EFI. “Wisdom is not just expertise. It is knowing how much of various areas of expertise you need to know in order to make the decisions that the world needs and that you want to do,” Columbia University President Lee Bollinger.
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slingshot
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 Re: Dguidry Begins Installing New Heads Today! Suggestions.
_________________ 1542 stuck to a 27mini. She gone. 1746 with a modded 35 gdsd Capt Team total asalt
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cb5331
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Interesting.
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Beadlejuicejr
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_________________ stage 3 GTR screaming behind the 1848 Garrett Pearce special. GET YOU SOME!
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