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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
Hi Yall,, new to the forums.. I have a 25hp Kohler Comand Pro (Mudbuddy) & its just not enough power for what I do.. I found a 40 hp Kohler Comand Pro & was going to buy it & swap the Motors But will they swap out ? another ?. the Prop..with the bigger Motor should I get the prop re cupped & pitched & just freshen up the 1 I have..or ? Thanks Mark
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:13 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
What frame?
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:17 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
its a Mudbuddy frame with the original 25hp
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:29 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
LT or SD?
I don't think the LT for the 25 is built for that big of a motor. I think the big blocks have a larger shaft.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:31 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
its a Long tail.. Make'n a coupler or shaft isnt a problem ..I have a CNC shop around the corner
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:40 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
I think they use a larger shaft for the larger props needed on the big blocks. If you can machine what you need, and the transom bracket can hold the extra weight, go for it.
On another note, I love the kohlers and think they are a better built engine, but the big blocks have been tested by most major manufactures and they were not ever really put in to production for our application. The briggs, while not the best on qc, seem to be a better "out of the box" performer for this application.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:44 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
the upgrade engines only about 30lbs heavier from what I was told,so I think the frame will hold it fine..I dont go jumpin beaver dams with it but I sure will roll a log or 3 on a trip just for shitz n giggles.. CB... do you know NO tox Guide service in your neck of the woods..? & thanks for the input..
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:33 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
Na, I don't use or really even know of any guides man. Only one I know the name of is something stupid simple like n tx duck hunting guide. Only reason I know who he is, is cause he guides mainly on one of the lakes I frequent.
Good luck with your project. Let us know how it turns out.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:38 pm |
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duckduckboom
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Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
if it works out get ready for tiller torque
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:41 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
yea that tiller torque is gonna be a Bear.. If I got the kit for the exhaust n Perf package stuff..what kinda HP gains can they really give ya..that is if I stick with the 25...?
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:59 pm |
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duckduckboom
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Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
to be honest i would not mod a longtail unless your are absolutely certain that a sd will not be better. Have you ever ran a SD through the area you hunt?
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:03 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
I have a 27 on the shelf in my garage that I dumped a shit load of money in to. It is not even close to the amount of power I have with the big block and there is still plenty left in it.
I'd agree with that guy, too. Don't spend money that you'll never get back on something you aren't going to be happy with anyway.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:04 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
I hunt everywhere.. river/ lakes & bays..I test drove a Prodrive & it was cool,but its alot like an outboard & I like the stand up ride I get with the LT.. For the cost of the perf kit I can get a FOB 40hp Vanguard to my door & still have sum gas $ left over.. whats the Most Hp someones put to a LT ? my boats a 16ft Polar Craft all weld with 18" sponsons Ive added.. I took the center seat out to open it up & Loose a few lbs & added a Manual Jack plate for a lil bit more setback... gps with me & my fishin gears 18 mph & when My Bud is with me its 11-12mph..I need to be @ the 16plus Mph..
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:22 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
They put a vtwin motorcycle engine on one. 75hp.
A 40 horse vanguard?
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:24 pm |
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duckduckboom
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Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
Pd handles are a little bit lower than the rest of the sd's. i don't mind it cause i have long arms. Although a SD will push you and you buddy 16 all day
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:30 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
75 hp huh.. that was the Harley engine rig if I remember right.. heres the link to the 40.. CB http://www.brandnewengines.com/CH1000-2002.aspxIm long n tall too DDB but I broke my back in 4 places so sittin isnt my fave thing to do..
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:49 pm |
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duckduckboom
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Joined: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:33 pm Posts: 5603 Location: Corner of Hell an high water, La
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:52 pm |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
The handle on a tall transom isn't bad. I'm just a touch over 6 foot and I drive standing up most of the time.
Oxbow, yeah I'm familiar with that one. You said vanguard in your last post.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:57 pm |
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Woodiebuster
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Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
A 40 kholer on the 25 frame will throw the balance forward terribly.
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Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:15 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
so will that really matter if the balance is weight forward..when under power it should push it back down right?
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:27 am |
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duckduckboom
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
You will most likely be holding back on handle to keep it in the water. You might want to bend the cavitation up
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:39 am |
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Woodiebuster
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Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:00 pm Posts: 6060 Location: Choudrant, La
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
Anytime he isn't going fast enough for the cav plate to force it down he will have to hold it in the water.
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:56 pm |
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OxbowOutfitters
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Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 am Posts: 9 Location: Houston Texas
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
CB.. ya wanna part with that 27 >????? 
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:52 am |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 25hp Kohler to 40 hp Kohler swap..need some direction
Its a vertical.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:01 am |
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