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quackconsumer
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:54 pm Posts: 5582
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 New 65hp stock power head for mm's
OK, for the last 8 1/2 month I've been working on getting a new larger power head to work on my GTR. Well after fabricating a few things to get it to fit and finding a clutch strong enough to handle the torque and fabricating a way to mount it, I have finally got it together I've been running it for about 2 months now and put 110 hrs on it with no problems it seems everything is holding together fine. I did over build it so I wouldn't run into those forseeable problems. However the engine I am using cost $5,500 and with my labor and material expenses I would have to charge another $500 for it to mount to a mm. My question is would anyone be interested in it? $6,000 is a lot of money, but it was the only option to have 65 hp of reliable power. At the moment I do not want to release what motor I used or how I got it to mount up, because I still have not decided if I want to market it. Don't want to give my idea and design I have away until I get a patent on it. Just trying to see if there is interest in it and if people would be willing to spend that amount of $ for that much more power?
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:13 pm |
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forever draggin
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 6664 Location: in the marsh with a boat load full of dead hookers
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
What speeds r u getting?
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:18 pm |
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doubleBanded
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:26 pm Posts: 3084 Location: Down South
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
Will it have reverse  post up a pic
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:20 pm |
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quackconsumer
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:54 pm Posts: 5582
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
On an 18x54 I am averaging 36-38 and I have yet to load it down enough not to get on step. However I am having to trim it down way to much. I think when I get the right prop size and pitch figured out it will easily hit 40+
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:23 pm |
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doubleBanded
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:26 pm Posts: 3084 Location: Down South
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
 Rollin
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CJB
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Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:46 am Posts: 5216 Location: Across the Bayou, LA
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
Well figure a stage 2 costs every bit of 3 grand, plus another 3 for a stock 35 Biggs gets you right at that $6k mark. Problem with a stage 2 is that you are still nowhere near 65hp. Briggs is junk.
I think you may be onto something. What kind of speeds are you running empty, loaded, at what RPMs, etc?
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dguidry
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm Posts: 11166 Location: Cecilia, LA
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
How much speed did you gain over a modded 35? My first impression is no, I would not spend that much.
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:25 pm |
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OwenDickeson
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Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:45 pm Posts: 9869
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
You're a little late for April Fools JC. 
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:26 pm |
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quackconsumer
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:54 pm Posts: 5582
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
Owen if you would have went to lake FP the other week you would have seen it. Peacock is the one who gps's it.
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:31 pm |
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The Shafer
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:46 pm Posts: 1947 Location: Longview. TX
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
This is bull crap! Anyone want to buy my motor??? 
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:34 pm |
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BayouStateHunter
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sat May 16, 2009 1:04 pm Posts: 2037 Location: On da Northshore -- Louisiana
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 New 65hp stock power head for mm's
With that motor on buddy Bayard's hull you should hit about 63 nautical miles per hour.
I'd buy one if I had the funds.
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:46 pm |
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Richard in LA
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:58 am Posts: 282 Location: Prairieville, LA
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
Would need more info and details on the powerhead itself before saying a definite yes or no. If its a bulletproof and reliable, non-modded engine, I wouldn't hesitate. Is it air cooled? V-twin or 3 cyl? is there a significant weight difference that changes the "balance"? Lots of people (myself included) have a good bit invested in highly modded engines and with the issues of the crankcase covers cracking and leaking, blocks cracking, cams failing, rocker bosses breaking, etc... the extra cost for added peace of mind wouldn't be absurd. At least not to me. However, there will be the guys who want more than 65 HP and want to mod it would let you know what the weak link is gonna be!
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:50 pm |
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quackconsumer
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I have a meeting with a lawyer Thursday about getting a patent on it. If he says I can release more info then I will.
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:56 pm |
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OwenDickeson
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Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:45 pm Posts: 9869
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
If you are not full of shit, I think there are plenty people that would pay 10 grand for a 65hp Gator-Tail or Pro-Drive.
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:01 pm |
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ha2
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Joined: Fri May 27, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 272
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I would be interested don't think the wife would be she wouldn't have to know.
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:06 pm |
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fowllife08
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:08 pm |
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The Shafer
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AKA Freshwaterkilla
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Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:06 pm Posts: 6584
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I might have a bunch of performance shit for sale shortly  Sent from my iPhone using
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:37 pm |
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BoatDR
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Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 6:43 am Posts: 1604
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
sounds like a great idea. Regardless of the cost there will be a certain demographic that will buy it.
I hope your new business venture works out for you, but i dont understand how you can patent a store-bought engine that bolts on top of another manufactures frame? but then again there isn't much that lawyers come up with that makes any sense to me. Good luck with it.
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:42 pm |
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cupped up
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Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:25 pm Posts: 4205 Location: St. Amant, LA
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
QC, isn't your boat a console rig? How much tiller torque would that fucker have on a tiller setup?
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:43 pm |
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DmaxHunter
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Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:21 pm Posts: 2207 Location: North Alabama
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:57 pm |
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barnes_53
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
Here is the performance graph from the dyno
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:52 pm |
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VooDoo Daddy
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Joined: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:55 pm Posts: 2005
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I think there would be a market for it. People are always wanting more than they need. Imagine going down a tight slough at 40mph, LOL, someone will be doing it. Trees and stumps go by quick when they are close and your motor is fast.
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lastchance
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Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:56 pm Posts: 1646 Location: Chauvin
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:07 pm |
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flatontheplatte
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Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:11 pm Posts: 201
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I love it! Slap a MB sticker on it and ole Freddy will kill hisself!
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Richard in LA
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Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:58 am Posts: 282 Location: Prairieville, LA
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SCmudder7071
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I'd be interested if it's practical on a tiller setup.
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Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:34 am |
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Gt hunna
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Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:39 pm Posts: 5
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
What about the reverse. Did You try it out?
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Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:58 am |
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KJH
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Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:09 pm Posts: 520 Location: Nebraska
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I'd be very interested. I would be in the demographic who would give it a serious look if it is proven reliable and works in a tiller configuration.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:44 am |
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Will
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Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:54 pm Posts: 8133
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
There are plenty of options out there for a Horizontal configuration. I never did understand why they still put junk on them to this day... 
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:23 am |
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pintail_89
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
Stock 65hp? This is just gettin stupid. Lol
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:24 am |
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Will
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:58 am |
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pintail_89
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Haha
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nocemdead
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Joined: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:58 pm Posts: 770 Location: atkins ar
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I think there is a lot of things in the works for motors I have someone I know working on a 140hp stock , and he ain't no jokester....wait and see.
Over.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:22 am |
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Will
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I hear tale of a guy that's going to the Seminole run this year with an S&S on a GTR frame with something over 100hp.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:32 am |
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NORTHFLORIDAFOWLER
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:33 am |
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pintail_89
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I hear that the t - Rex and mamouth's are making a comeback as well.  Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
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Will
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da go get'er
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:30 am Posts: 3406 Location: Prairieville
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I wanna see an s&s engine on a gtr frame. I know a person trying one on a mini airboat and can't wait to see it in person. Should be pretty legit from what I'm told.
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da go get'er
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Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:30 am Posts: 3406 Location: Prairieville
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 Re: New 65hp stock power head for mm's
I wanna see an s&s engine on a gtr frame. I know a person trying one on a mini airboat and can't wait to see it in person. Should be pretty legit from what I'm told.
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