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Marsh Runner
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:38 am Posts: 87
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 Balanced crank
I had my crank out of my 35gtr balanced because it cracked my block. Was told it was out 14 grams. For those that had their cranks balanced, how much were they out? After balanced were they running a lot smoother?
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| Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:41 pm |
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Wilson
MMT F.E.
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:35 pm Posts: 935 Location: South LA
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 Re: Balanced crank
Great question.
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| Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:48 pm |
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riverrat00
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:29 am Posts: 92
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 Re: Balanced crank
Mine was 21 and yes runs a lot smoother.
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| Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:34 am |
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Marsh Runner
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:38 am Posts: 87
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 Re: Balanced crank
I guess no one has had their crank balanced. I thought there was talk a while back about some doing this? Just looking to see how much most cranks are out.
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| Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:11 am |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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 Re: Balanced crank
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| Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:10 pm |
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banded-mallard
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:18 pm Posts: 4310
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 Re: Balanced crank
Damn, 14 and 21 grams is a lot. It doesn't seem like much, but when spun up to 5000 rpms, it magnifies significantly. I do this for a living for dow. Also, given the "placement" of the "heavy spot" that causes the vibration is also significant. If the heavy spot is located near the shaft centerline, then as speed increases, the magnitude won't be as significant. But, if the known heavy spot is located further away from the centerline, as speed increases, the forces applied outward increase significantly, thus the vibration you are feeling. By balancing the crank, you will also extend the life of the bearings, seals and the block itself, even if its a lawnmower engine.
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:26 am |
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ibfishinb
MMT Addict
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:44 pm Posts: 630
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 Re: Balanced crank
Wish I had been patient enough to send mine off to be Balance when I had the motor apart.
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:20 am |
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pokey79
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:50 pm Posts: 2282 Location: Circumcised, Louisiana
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 Re: Balanced crank
To be honest balancing the whole rotating assembly is the way to go. But just doing the crank helps too.
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:13 am |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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 Re: Balanced crank
How can a crank be balanced without knowing the bobweight?
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:21 am |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Balanced crank
Who is Bob?
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:38 am |
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pokey79
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:50 pm Posts: 2282 Location: Circumcised, Louisiana
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 Re: Balanced crank
only thing I can think of is the person that did the crank balance has done a complete rotating assembly and used a known weight. With saying that im not saying its right by any means.
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:40 am |
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Russ
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 pm Posts: 4820 Location: West Monroe, LA
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:59 am |
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pokey79
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:50 pm Posts: 2282 Location: Circumcised, Louisiana
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 Re: Balanced crank
Here’s the complete list for determining your bobweights for zero-balancing a crank. Rotating Weight * Big end of rod (including fastening hardware) * Bearing * Oil (normally estimated at four grams) Reciprocating Weight * Piston * Wristpin * Pin locks (if used) * Small end of rod * Piston rings Bob weight = Rotating Weight + (Reciprocating Weight x .50) This is just a insight for those that want know , before the question is asked. 
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:00 am |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Balanced crank
I think he's the cause of all the cracked blocks. Fucking Bob. 
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:01 am |
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pokey79
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:50 pm Posts: 2282 Location: Circumcised, Louisiana
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 Re: Balanced crank
^^^^^ and as I see this was posted to late!!!! 
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: Balanced crank
And on topic....the only person I've known to actually have their's balanced, I'm pretty sure they did the entire rotating assembly. They also continued to have issues with the motor(s). IIRC, a stretched rod, broken rod, and at least one, maybe two more cracked blocks. There was an issue with the flywheel that caused some of those issues though.
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:05 am |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:06 am |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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pokey79
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:50 pm Posts: 2282 Location: Circumcised, Louisiana
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:28 am |
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MaXXis85
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: Balanced crank
Also balancing the flywheel seems to help some. The whole thing helps.... But is it really worth it in the end? Its all up in the air.
_________________ Bayou Surface Drive 337-351-0362 Tarkington, TX 77327
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:31 am |
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Marsh Runner
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:38 am Posts: 87
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 Re: Balanced crank
So they did measure out the weight of piston and rods to put Bob weight. And balanced as rotating assembly. Flywheel wouldn't fit in machine on crank so had it balanced separate and it was out 1 gram
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:33 am |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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 Re: Balanced crank
Good. They did it right! Care to share who did the work? There arent many places that balance these and this thread has good info..
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:43 pm |
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cb5331
MMT Super Elite Member
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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MaXXis85
MMT Elite Member
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: Balanced crank
On our end Tim's Engines in Denham springs had done it.
_________________ Bayou Surface Drive 337-351-0362 Tarkington, TX 77327
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:04 pm |
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Marsh Runner
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:38 am Posts: 87
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 Re: Balanced crank
It's a local auto engine machine shop, have to find name. But he used an automotive balance machine, he said it was tight to fit but it worked. So I'm sure any automotive machine shop could do it.
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| Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:16 pm |
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riverrat00
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:29 am Posts: 92
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 Re: Balanced crank
Tim's engines in denham springs did mine too. Really nice people.
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| Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:03 am |
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pokey79
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:50 pm Posts: 2282 Location: Circumcised, Louisiana
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 Re: Balanced crank
what was Tim's price if u don't mind me asking? or u can pm it to me
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| Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:29 am |
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riverrat00
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:29 am Posts: 92
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 Re: Balanced crank
Dont quote me but I remember 175 . Wasnt more than 200
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