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Walkerdogman85
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:55 am Posts: 92 Location: Coshocton Ohio
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35 backwater hard to steer.....
Is it just me or what? I have had my backwater 35 for almost a year now and am really impressed with what it can do! Does it steer hard because it’s a 35? I do reshim a lot due to load changes and fight blow outs, but it’s a handful compared to my buddies 22 swomp. He sits down and uses one hand to operate. I usually have to stand and use 2 hands. Is there anything I can do to help?
_________________ Alweld 1752 with Backwater 35
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:37 pm |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:57 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
Something is off. Definitely shouldn't take 2 hands to steer. I've owned a 23 SWOMP and a 35 SWOMP and there's honestly not much, if any difference, especially once you're running on plane. Another thing is the shimming for different loads... I'm almost positive that shouldn't be necessary. At least I never had to re-shim any of my Backwater motors on either of my boats because I may or may not have been hauling a heavy load.
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:03 pm |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
For me the bigblock longtails drive nice when straight but turning takes some patience. You've had a year with it so you are used to it. The only LT I know of that really turns is a smallblock on a light cheapy 1648. The bigblock is usally mounted on a bigger boat and you feel it when turning
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:58 pm |
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Will C
MMT Sponsor
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:16 pm Posts: 2107 Location: Gladewater TX
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
I just saw you have the same boat a Frank. So whatever he says will be good info
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:02 pm |
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Walkerdogman85
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:55 am Posts: 92 Location: Coshocton Ohio
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
It’s the long shaft on a 20” transom Alweld 1752. I need to take some time and get the shimming right. I have the motor in the middle pivot hole, versa mount is mounted outside the boat. With it being so low that it rubs the top of the transom. Driving straight doesn’t seem to be as difficult but definitely turning is... I thought maybe it was just the nature of it. Also my prop is a 9x8 and I’m hitting the rev limiter. Jake said to try a 10x5 through them at backwater. Anyone have any experience with that prop?
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:15 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
I run a 10x6 hex prop on my 37. I can't remember what prop I ran on my 35.
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:44 am |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
I run a 10x5 hex on my 23 swomp, but it’s built .
H finn
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:05 am |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:23 am |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:27 am |
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Walkerdogman85
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:55 am Posts: 92 Location: Coshocton Ohio
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
I noticed today after loading the boat, my self has a slight bend in it and a cracked weld. I now know why it won’t run straight!!! I’m going to straighten it and re weld and see what happens. I also plan on ordering the 10x5 prop soon.
_________________ Alweld 1752 with Backwater 35
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:58 pm |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:09 pm |
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FRANKtheTAU
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:30 pm Posts: 1386 Location: West TN
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
_________________ 40 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1752 Alweld Mud
6.5 Backwater SWOMP Lite / 1440 PolarKraft
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:21 pm |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:22 pm |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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35 backwater hard to steer.....
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:35 pm |
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drpwells
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:04 am Posts: 101
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
I have a 35 backwater and have ran it since 2014. Easiest LT I have ever ran. I also ran the 10x5 prop. The downfall of the larger prop is if you run in stumps or heavy trash water, be careful or you will break a shaft since you will hit more objects below the water. You can always upgrade to the larger shaft but you must change out bearings and u joint. I first ran mine on a 1748 but have ran it on a 1852 the last couple of years. Can drive it sitting down with one hand!
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:49 pm |
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huck Finn
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:42 pm Posts: 1913 Location: Conroe tx
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
_________________ Ole black water keep on rolling
18x54 Uncle J -GTR - with the koolaid Back H2o SWOMP 23 SS stage 2 15x36 GD Duck Skiff GATOR GATOR GLIDE PROSTAFF BACKWATER PROSTAFF http://www.gatorglide.com
Coupe rest in peace brother
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:00 pm |
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Walkerdogman85
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:55 am Posts: 92 Location: Coshocton Ohio
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
It actually broke and bent now that I think about it when I was backing up a while back and motor bounced down and I kept on backing. It has nothing to do with the product! It’s a wonder to as I drive a chevy! it’s not too bad and may not be the culprit but I’ll fix it for sure. Other than that the motor is a beast and every time I think I want to sell it I take it out and I’m amazed at what it can do!!! Thanks for all the help and info!
_________________ Alweld 1752 with Backwater 35
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Walkerdogman85
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:55 am Posts: 92 Location: Coshocton Ohio
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
It actually broke and bent now that I think about it when I was backing up a while back and motor bounced down and I kept on backing. It has nothing to do with the product! It’s a wonder to as I drive a chevy! it’s not too bad and may not be the culprit but I’ll fix it for sure. Other than that the motor is a beast and every time I think I want to sell it I take it out and I’m amazed at what it can do!!! Thanks for all the help and info!
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:21 pm Posts: 3214
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:08 pm |
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ddhawkfan
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun May 14, 2017 1:35 pm Posts: 71
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:21 pm |
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flint87
MMT 1000 Club
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:33 pm |
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WhoDat88
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 4:24 pm Posts: 2912 Location: Thibodaux, La
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
_________________ 1850 Predator Series Stick Steer Option 40HP Gatortail
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:22 pm |
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ddhawkfan
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun May 14, 2017 1:35 pm Posts: 71
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
_________________ 1648MV SeaArk 37 EFI Backwater SWOMP Lite
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CypressCritter
MMT F.E.
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:36 am Posts: 822 Location: Jefferson TX
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
And this one time in band camp! I was headed to my favorite duck hole when my 1964 Evinrude 18 hp Fastwin on a 1972 Appleby 14x42 hit a stump. Had to get out in knee deep water and change out the sear pin. It took almost 10 minutes!!! That's went I realized there has got to be a better way. First came props with pressed in rubber hubs/no sear pin, then the expensive stainless props. I may not have been there and done all of it, but I have seen a lot. You guys are lucky! Hell back in band camp we had to use "lead" shot with fixed choke shotguns!!! Had a damn point system for duck limits, so somebody had to be able to do simple math and ID a duck not just ID and count.
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Glades Ranger
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 1490 Location: south Florida
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
Cypress, good story! I know some of the "young'uns" here had a mud motor first, unlike the veterans. That old 25 Evinrude of mine on that beat up French settlement, La. 1436 was rude, and I paid a lot in repairs and you could not go in a straight line, the prop continually being fouled by weeds, and if the motor stopped peeing, well you were risking it all. When you could run it flew fast as shit, but I don't cuss much anymore after my first 18 HP GD longtail I never looked back. To get back on the thread topic, took a while to dial in my 26.5 Backwater, but Jake at BW sure helped and was right on with the inboard mounting of the versa mount! As much as I welcome craft beer, I don't refuse an ice cold PBR!
_________________ Sailing in the sawgrass /1648 grizzly and Swomp 26.5 EFI
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flint87
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
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Walkerdogman85
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Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:55 am Posts: 92 Location: Coshocton Ohio
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
Definitely not a quality issue! I want to buy a small setup for our restricted lake
_________________ Alweld 1752 with Backwater 35
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brycecheramie
MMT 1000 Club
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:38 am Posts: 4323 Location: Cut Off, La.
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
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stu
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Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:35 pm Posts: 608 Location: Deerfield Beach FL,
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
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Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:33 pm |
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Walkerdogman85
MMT Pro Member
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:55 am Posts: 92 Location: Coshocton Ohio
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Re: 35 backwater hard to steer.....
Will do. I’m going to call and talk to Jake next week.
_________________ Alweld 1752 with Backwater 35
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BlueShamu
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Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:13 pm Posts: 5605 Location: D'town, LA
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