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Pacer
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Joined: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:33 pm Posts: 51 Location: Patterson La
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 35 HP pistons?
Who makes pistons for a briggs 35?
Other than Briggs.
Thanks
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:24 am |
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po po mud duck
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:13 am Posts: 317 Location: Port Arthur TX.
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Arias makes the forged flat top pistons that Performance V-Twin sales. I don't believe you can buy these direct from Arias. Probably have to contact Performance V-Twin or possibly a BPS Dealer. These pistons have a raised compression height and require the longer Eagle rods.
I run a set in my motor and I've had several PM's inquiring info. regarding them so here it is.
Arias- Phone # 310-532-9737 Part # 401116 Recommended piston to cylinder clr. .0035 Piston O.D. 3.3625 Stock Bore I.D. 3.366 Wrist pin O.D. .827 (21mm) Wrist pin clr. .0007
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:32 am |
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cb5331
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Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:10 pm Posts: 16915 Location: Rowlett, TX
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
wiseco
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:53 am |
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jeremyhit
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Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 6:02 pm Posts: 24
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Je Piston will make you a piston. You just have to buy four pistons and they will do what ever you what on compression and gas porting the pistons
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:36 pm |
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drake1
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:57 am Posts: 659
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Cheaper to buy je pistons from evt. If arias raised the compression height then you should only need stock length rods.
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:47 pm |
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BradS
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:23 am Posts: 4514 Location: Lafayette, La
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Wait -- no piston ever REQUIRES a longer rod that I know of
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:51 pm |
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drake1
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Only time you will need a longer rod is when you raise the wrist pin to bring the piston deck down but move the piston up further in the hole.
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:57 pm |
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BradS
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
OK --- so that makes sense
But what dosent make sense is WHY you would move to wrist pin up and put a longer rod --- wouldnt the piston still be in the same place?
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:58 pm |
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riverratdm84
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Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:15 pm Posts: 701 Location: pella, ia
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
ive been told that longer rods make more torque on car motors think it would be the same on these
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:31 pm |
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Matt
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:39 pm Posts: 190 Location: Chauvin,La.
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:35 pm |
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riverratdm84
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
u can build a sb chevy w short or long rods same stroke
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:43 pm |
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Matt
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
All you change is the compression ratio with rod length.
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:50 pm |
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riverratdm84
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
different pistons for each compression stays the same
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:59 pm |
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po po mud duck
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:13 am Posts: 317 Location: Port Arthur TX.
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Compression height is the distance between the center line of the wrist pin bore to the top of the piston. I don't remember the exact length because it was over a year ago when I measured my Eagle rods, but I'm thinking they were .120 longer than stock B&S rods. The Arias pistons have a compression height designed for the longer rod. If you ran a stock rod with these Arias pistons, the piston would be down in the cylinder at TDC. This would hurt your compression ratio.
A longer rod dwells at TDC for a longer period. The theory is a longer cleaner burn. A lot of old timers started running 6" rods in 350 small block chevy's instead of the stock length 5.7" rod. It's still popular today. The key is to have a piston designed for the longer rod. Otherwise you would have .300 of piston sticking out of the cylinder at TDC.
Compression height is : (Stroke divided by 2) (plus rod length) (minus deck height)
Example : (3.480 divided by 2)= 1.740 (1.740 plus 5.700)= 7.440 (7.440 minus 9.000)= 1.560
A 350 small block chevy with a stock length 5.700 rod has a compression height of 1.560.
Most engine builders, building engines with power adders (Nitrous, Turbo and/or Super chargers) will run a shorter rod and/or less stroke. This allows for a larger compression height and gives the piston manufacture more material between the wrist pin to the top of the piston for thicker/stronger ring lands.
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:58 pm |
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
you phags need to focus on building a better base... the rest will follow.
btw: poo poo duck, u mite wanna reconsider dem push rods!
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:04 pm |
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po po mud duck
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:37 pm |
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po po mud duck
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:44 pm |
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bayouboy
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Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:08 pm Posts: 5376 Location: Venice, La
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bayouboy
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bayouboy
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bayouboy
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
So if I'm understanding it right the wrist pin will be higher just not .120?
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:19 pm |
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bayouboy
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
What about where to find after market/over size rings ? I need a set.
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Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:27 am |
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po po mud duck
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po po mud duck
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drake1
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
That is why a 31hp crank with 3.5" pistons is a monster. Short stroke and long rod. That motor will spin 5600 plus. My gen has same stroke but a 1" shorter rod, makes gobs of power to 4700 but can't get over that hump.
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bayouboy
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po po mud duck
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bayouboy
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MaXXis85
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Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:23 am Posts: 6233 Location: Tarkington, TX
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Preston I was sitting here scratching my head wandering the same thing, But once I re-read it and looked at the Dwg 50hptiller put up, I got it.
After all that I can say I learned somerhing new. Longer rods are not always for booting compression.
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muddiejeep
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:44 am |
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BradS
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Well all I got to say is Im glad I asked that. I learned a lot and now will be spending MORE money when I do decide to build my engine LOL
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:58 am |
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Brinkleydog
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been a long tiem since i lernt somthing on MMT!
bout time we had a good post!
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Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:30 am |
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deadbird8
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 Re: 35 HP pistons?
Comparison Pics:
Stock vs Shaved BPS Pistons:
C-rod comparison angle and length- BPS .120 over vs Stock:
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Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:25 am |
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take'emgator
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Good thread, Subscribed
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Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:36 am |
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SP
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Ditto
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